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So, the government would do what, lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? Also, for Boeing or Blue Origin, the cost would currentl

So, the government would do what, lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? Also, for Boeing or Blue Origin, the cost would currently be higher per launch, and as far as I know, no one has the kind of satellite network that SpaceX does. Of course, those are sane considerations. I suppose I shouldn’t accuse the Donald of any kind of rational thinking.

Applejinx 1y ago
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- andrewflnr 1y ago
  Moscow was never either of their biggest priorities, I think. Allies of convenience, mostly. Moscow benefits from their infighting anyway.
  - slimebot80 1y ago
    Yeah. I believe Moscow props them up and has platformed them, but not because of any secret intelligence - it's the opposite: they are installing this exact chaos.
    - andrewflnr 1y ago
      Eh, still giving Moscow too much credit IMO. Certainly I don't think Moscow was critical to get them where they are (that's ironically giving too much credit to the American people, too; it turns out we're really dumb).
      - slimebot80 1y ago
        I think out social media is very actively influenced by certain regimes. They are rotting us from within.
jmyeet 1y ago
SpaceX is critical infrastructure to the US at this point and its continued availability and operation is of national security interest. That may sound like it gives Elon power. It's the opposite, actually. No US administration will take lightly threats to national security infrastructure like this. The nuclear option for any administration is to nationalize SpaceX, which they absolutely could do. Less nuclear: the US has a lot of control over what SpaceX does. The FAA (and to a lesser extent the NOAA) has to approve every launch. They could simply gorund SpaceX. If you think SpaceX could simply move operations elsewhere, think again, The US prohibits ASML, a Dutch company, from selling EUV lithography machines to China. Apart from all of that, SpaceX is absolutely dependant on US government funding and contracts. Withdrawing those, or even the threat of such, allows the US to wield a lot of power over SpaceX. What's rather surprising about this feud is that Trump is currently the adult and has been uncharacteristically restrained in his response thus far. Of course, all that could change. It was Elon who heavily implied that Trump was a pedophile, which is an absolutely insane thing to do.
- cyclecount 1y ago
  If it’s critical infrastructure it should be nationalized
  - dingnuts 1y ago
    We have a national space agency that has had plenty of time and money to do the stuff SpaceX is doing. Why wouldn't SpaceX turn into the funding and political football that NASA is, if it were nationalized? Like, this isn't a hypothetical. SpaceX only has a market because of the incompetence of the "public option."
    - bigbadfeline 1y ago
      > We have a national space agency that has had plenty of time and money to do the stuff SpaceX is doing. That's quite inaccurate. NASA doesn't do much themselves, they hire external contractors but keep significant control over them. SpaceX got more funding and less control and they didn't start from scratch, NASA gave them all of their technical documentation, now-how and working prototypes. NASA could have done everything SpaceX does if they were given the same conditions and funding, however, they've never had funding for blowing up five spaceships in row, they were held to much stricter standards. The entire story looks like a blatant attempt to take control of space operations away from NASA and thus from the government.
lostlogin 1y ago
> lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? Are they though? Trump is on Putins side. Who disputes that?
- mellow-lake-day 1y ago
  Yes, it's quite disingenuous to say that USA is engaged a proxy war. Ukraine has military support from other countries but they are the ones making decisions at the end of day. For example Ukraine just carried out a complex drone attack on Russia's bomber fleet, this was careful planned by Ukrainian miliary without any involvement of the US and US was not informed of this ahead of time. And after the fact USA got upset with Ukraine for doing that.
TechDebtDevin 1y ago
The DoD would certainly just take care of Elon if they had to. Who are we kidding. The DoD are the actual owners of Space X. Hes a figure head / civilian face. They are literally just running the Howard Hughes playbook over again. Hes a front guys.
mellow-lake-day 1y ago
>with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? USA isn't currently engaged a proxy war with Russia
- rpmisms 1y ago
  Yes we are.
  - mellow-lake-day 1y ago
    Ukraine is fighting a Russian invasion. And republicans are pressuring Ukraine to give up. How is that a proxy war?
    - afroboy 1y ago
      But numbers don't lie, USA still sending billions of weapons to Ukraine even with the Trump shenanigans.
      - wltr 1y ago
        As if they weren’t selling the weapons.
TiredOfLife 1y ago
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protocolture 1y ago
They would have to tip a bunch of money into boeing to help them get to space x parity in time for Artemis launch dates. It isnt happening.

Applejinx 1y ago

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andrewflnr 1y ago
Moscow was never either of their biggest priorities, I think. Allies of convenience, mostly. Moscow benefits from their infighting anyway.
- slimebot80 1y ago
  Yeah. I believe Moscow props them up and has platformed them, but not because of any secret intelligence - it's the opposite: they are installing this exact chaos.
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    Eh, still giving Moscow too much credit IMO. Certainly I don't think Moscow was critical to get them where they are (that's ironically giving too much credit to the American people, too; it turns out we're really dumb).
    - slimebot80 1y ago
      I think out social media is very actively influenced by certain regimes. They are rotting us from within.

jmyeet 1y ago

SpaceX is critical infrastructure to the US at this point and its continued availability and operation is of national security interest. That may sound like it gives Elon power. It's the opposite, actually. No US administration will take lightly threats to national security infrastructure like this. The nuclear option for any administration is to nationalize SpaceX, which they absolutely could do. Less nuclear: the US has a lot of control over what SpaceX does. The FAA (and to a lesser extent the NOAA) has to approve every launch. They could simply gorund SpaceX. If you think SpaceX could simply move operations elsewhere, think again, The US prohibits ASML, a Dutch company, from selling EUV lithography machines to China. Apart from all of that, SpaceX is absolutely dependant on US government funding and contracts. Withdrawing those, or even the threat of such, allows the US to wield a lot of power over SpaceX. What's rather surprising about this feud is that Trump is currently the adult and has been uncharacteristically restrained in his response thus far. Of course, all that could change. It was Elon who heavily implied that Trump was a pedophile, which is an absolutely insane thing to do.

cyclecount 1y ago
If it’s critical infrastructure it should be nationalized
- dingnuts 1y ago
  We have a national space agency that has had plenty of time and money to do the stuff SpaceX is doing. Why wouldn't SpaceX turn into the funding and political football that NASA is, if it were nationalized? Like, this isn't a hypothetical. SpaceX only has a market because of the incompetence of the "public option."
  - bigbadfeline 1y ago
    > We have a national space agency that has had plenty of time and money to do the stuff SpaceX is doing. That's quite inaccurate. NASA doesn't do much themselves, they hire external contractors but keep significant control over them. SpaceX got more funding and less control and they didn't start from scratch, NASA gave them all of their technical documentation, now-how and working prototypes. NASA could have done everything SpaceX does if they were given the same conditions and funding, however, they've never had funding for blowing up five spaceships in row, they were held to much stricter standards. The entire story looks like a blatant attempt to take control of space operations away from NASA and thus from the government.

lostlogin 1y ago

> lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? Are they though? Trump is on Putins side. Who disputes that?

mellow-lake-day 1y ago
Yes, it's quite disingenuous to say that USA is engaged a proxy war. Ukraine has military support from other countries but they are the ones making decisions at the end of day. For example Ukraine just carried out a complex drone attack on Russia's bomber fleet, this was careful planned by Ukrainian miliary without any involvement of the US and US was not informed of this ahead of time. And after the fact USA got upset with Ukraine for doing that.

TechDebtDevin 1y ago

The DoD would certainly just take care of Elon if they had to. Who are we kidding. The DoD are the actual owners of Space X. Hes a figure head / civilian face. They are literally just running the Howard Hughes playbook over again. Hes a front guys.

mellow-lake-day 1y ago

>with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? USA isn't currently engaged a proxy war with Russia

rpmisms 1y ago
Yes we are.
- mellow-lake-day 1y ago
  Ukraine is fighting a Russian invasion. And republicans are pressuring Ukraine to give up. How is that a proxy war?
  - afroboy 1y ago
    But numbers don't lie, USA still sending billions of weapons to Ukraine even with the Trump shenanigans.
    - wltr 1y ago
      As if they weren’t selling the weapons.

TiredOfLife 1y ago

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protocolture 1y ago

They would have to tip a bunch of money into boeing to help them get to space x parity in time for Artemis launch dates. It isnt happening.