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Thanks for your opinions, and you're right. If you don't mindlessly absorb news articles, then great! You shouldn't absorb this one either. Unfortunately lots

by ccyeh 14y ago

Thanks for your opinions, and you're right. If you don't mindlessly absorb news articles, then great! You shouldn't absorb this one either. Unfortunately lots of people do, so I thought it appropriate to address the other side for very assuming people who absorb one-sided information.

jmspring 14y ago
This is definitely the "other side". Unfortunately the extremes are what make the news. The posting you ref'd felt pretty shallow. So maybe it is good to ref the "otherside" here, but...ug. That was a painful read. :) Positive or not, this industry can lead one to feeling like they have to give every waking hour to the company. At the end of the day, though, one really should ask "what am I getting in return?" Balance is key.
famousactress 14y ago
It's weird to me that "the other side" that anyone might care about is how employees are treated. Frankly, I don't really give a fuck how a bunch of incredibly smart and talented people in an awesome job market are treated. I figure that's their (pretty easy) problem to solve. If someone wants to write an article about "the other side" then write something about the users for whom Zynga's products are actually providing value as opposed to serving as artless black-holes of attention and creativity.
- ccyeh 14y ago
  I'm guessing you don't believe in games at all...? I think this would be more of a discussion about whether games are a good thing at all, but that would probably be mostly opinions.
  - tmurray 14y ago
    I don't think most people would dispute that games in general are worthwhile, but I think there are also arguments to be made about the quality of what Zynga does. Obvious example: http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml
  - famousactress 14y ago
    FUCK NO! Games are amazing. I think play is one of the most fundamentally beautiful ideas in human society, and an art form really ripe and ready for disruption, innovation, and well... play. I think games have incredible (and untapped!) value, but I don't think Zynga makes games. I think Zynga exploits game mechanics to make products out of people.
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by ccyeh 14y ago

jmspring 14y ago

This is definitely the "other side". Unfortunately the extremes are what make the news. The posting you ref'd felt pretty shallow. So maybe it is good to ref the "otherside" here, but...ug. That was a painful read. :) Positive or not, this industry can lead one to feeling like they have to give every waking hour to the company. At the end of the day, though, one really should ask "what am I getting in return?" Balance is key.

famousactress 14y ago

It's weird to me that "the other side" that anyone might care about is how employees are treated. Frankly, I don't really give a fuck how a bunch of incredibly smart and talented people in an awesome job market are treated. I figure that's their (pretty easy) problem to solve. If someone wants to write an article about "the other side" then write something about the users for whom Zynga's products are actually providing value as opposed to serving as artless black-holes of attention and creativity.

ccyeh 14y ago
I'm guessing you don't believe in games at all...? I think this would be more of a discussion about whether games are a good thing at all, but that would probably be mostly opinions.
- tmurray 14y ago
  I don't think most people would dispute that games in general are worthwhile, but I think there are also arguments to be made about the quality of what Zynga does. Obvious example: http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml
- famousactress 14y ago
  FUCK NO! Games are amazing. I think play is one of the most fundamentally beautiful ideas in human society, and an art form really ripe and ready for disruption, innovation, and well... play. I think games have incredible (and untapped!) value, but I don't think Zynga makes games. I think Zynga exploits game mechanics to make products out of people.
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