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Looks like they are trying to force versions into where there are none. Just like trying to force a square cube into a round hole. "Default versions" breaking

by kesor 1y ago

Looks like they are trying to force versions into where there are none. Just like trying to force a square cube into a round hole. "Default versions" breaking things that depend on them? What is that? It is like using docker's ":latest" tag and being surprised each time that a new server falls on its face because the "default" image is actually a different version from the previous "default" image. I don't understand any of the explanations in this blog post. Seems like people who have zero clue about what a "version" of a software is. "no way of splitting up the Nix dependencies into separate layers" - Why? Of course you can split /nix/store into as many layers as you need. Do they even know how to use containers and how to use Nix in the first place? With the clear incompetence of these people, no wonder that their proposed solution smells like a decomposed fish. Classic NIH syndrome. There is going to be no surprise to see them meet the exact same problems they didn't solve with Nix to infest their new "solution".

jbverschoor 1y ago
What works better to raise VC (which for many is the goal) A nix wrapper or a deployment platform
- BoorishBears 1y ago
  Traction. I don't think any VC worth the time is going to sit around nitpicking how much Nix matters to their offering if they're making increasing amounts of money.
  - jbverschoor 1y ago
    Depends who’s pretending to be a VC, or accelerator
- kesor 1y ago
  It works best to post your "solution" on hacker news and get roasted by ALL the commenters who have a clue while you have none.
- 12_throw_away 1y ago
  > What works better to raise VC (which for many is the goal)[?] A nix wrapper or a deployment platform Well, if I wanted VC money for this, even if I was buliding a simple nix wrapper, I'd still tell the VCs that it was a deployment platform. (to be clear I have no opinion on TFA or any idea whether this is what they're doing)
zxexz 1y ago
I’m all for not using nix, especially where it doesn’t make sense. But rebuilding a working system from scratch, for reasons that aren’t actually a problem if they were to have spent even a couple hours looking at how people already solve those issues, seems fundamentally insane. Like others have said here, nix2container and flakes seem like they would address every problem they have. With regard to versioning, I have flakes written 3 years ago that still build with exactly the same versions and the same output as when it was first written. Sure does sound like that want to go to market and raise off a platform :D Edit: Literally just checked nixpacks’ github and it immediately jumped out to me that they are using rustPlatform in nixpkgs, not oxalica’s rust-overlay[0] which would have come up in any cursory search for the rust issues. And is one of the most useful and powerful overlays I’ve used. [0] https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay
- unshavedyak 1y ago
  Yea, i kinda hate Nix - but it's fundamentally changed how i view OSs and the minimum features i want from them. Though I really want another language than Nixlang, but i've been stuck on Nix for years despite not liking it because the concrete builds are just so good. If Nix actually had a language i liked i'd probably go full immutable user config too and fully embrace nix. It's just so, so good. I'd switch in a heartbeat if someone iterated on Nix for some of my complaints, though. But i'm not switching away from the concrete system builds.. it's just amazing.
  - dawnofdusk 1y ago
    If you like Lisp there is GUIX which is the Nix packaging idea but using a language that is slightly less trash. The ecosystem is much worse so it would not be great for a desktop end user AFAIK.
    - unshavedyak 1y ago
      I'm hoping Nickel some day can be used in place of Nix. I'm not a fan of lazy piles of config-func-soup regardless, but if i just had types and sane errors my UX in Nix would go up tremendously. Nickel promises some of that, at least.

by kesor 1y ago

jbverschoor 1y ago

What works better to raise VC (which for many is the goal) A nix wrapper or a deployment platform

BoorishBears 1y ago
Traction. I don't think any VC worth the time is going to sit around nitpicking how much Nix matters to their offering if they're making increasing amounts of money.
- jbverschoor 1y ago
  Depends who’s pretending to be a VC, or accelerator
kesor 1y ago
It works best to post your "solution" on hacker news and get roasted by ALL the commenters who have a clue while you have none.
12_throw_away 1y ago
> What works better to raise VC (which for many is the goal)[?] A nix wrapper or a deployment platform Well, if I wanted VC money for this, even if I was buliding a simple nix wrapper, I'd still tell the VCs that it was a deployment platform. (to be clear I have no opinion on TFA or any idea whether this is what they're doing)

zxexz 1y ago

I’m all for not using nix, especially where it doesn’t make sense. But rebuilding a working system from scratch, for reasons that aren’t actually a problem if they were to have spent even a couple hours looking at how people already solve those issues, seems fundamentally insane. Like others have said here, nix2container and flakes seem like they would address every problem they have. With regard to versioning, I have flakes written 3 years ago that still build with exactly the same versions and the same output as when it was first written. Sure does sound like that want to go to market and raise off a platform :D Edit: Literally just checked nixpacks’ github and it immediately jumped out to me that they are using rustPlatform in nixpkgs, not oxalica’s rust-overlay[0] which would have come up in any cursory search for the rust issues. And is one of the most useful and powerful overlays I’ve used. [0] https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay

unshavedyak 1y ago
Yea, i kinda hate Nix - but it's fundamentally changed how i view OSs and the minimum features i want from them. Though I really want another language than Nixlang, but i've been stuck on Nix for years despite not liking it because the concrete builds are just so good. If Nix actually had a language i liked i'd probably go full immutable user config too and fully embrace nix. It's just so, so good. I'd switch in a heartbeat if someone iterated on Nix for some of my complaints, though. But i'm not switching away from the concrete system builds.. it's just amazing.
- dawnofdusk 1y ago
  If you like Lisp there is GUIX which is the Nix packaging idea but using a language that is slightly less trash. The ecosystem is much worse so it would not be great for a desktop end user AFAIK.
  - unshavedyak 1y ago
    I'm hoping Nickel some day can be used in place of Nix. I'm not a fan of lazy piles of config-func-soup regardless, but if i just had types and sane errors my UX in Nix would go up tremendously. Nickel promises some of that, at least.