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Get better citizens.
by bandyaboot 1y ago
Get better citizens.
- master-lincoln 1y agoGet better education for kids that grow to become citizens
- datavirtue 1y agoThis. We are seeing the ROI for "education" in America.
- mcsniff 1y agoThere's another word for "educating" people until they reach the decision you want them to. Brainwashing. You know it's completely possible that people have a different outlook or opinion or perspective on things and that is why they disagree with you, not necessarily a lack of education? Some people think these are good ideas and they vote or welcome them. Some people think they are bad ideas and they vote or oppose them.
- iancmceachern 1y agoNo, education is not brainwashing. These terms have different definitions. One is by definition good, one bad. Words matter, definitions of words matter.
- thegrimmest 1y agoI’d love an education system that only teaches scientific consensus, and leaves moral conclusions to parents and households. However I’m sure you’d appreciate that’s not what we have.
- iancmceachern 1y agoFortunately our system is setup such that passionate folks like you can work to effect change. Go do it - volunteer for your local PTA, run for school board positions, show up to public hearings. Be the change you want to see in the world. God Speed my friend.
- thegrimmest 1y agoHaving the ideology of the majority taught in schools is the outcome of a strictly democratic process like the one you’re describing. I’m suggesting that the separation between church and state be extended to any ideological teaching.
- iancmceachern 1y agoI get it, I'm not trying to chat about that. I am saying if you can convince enough other people that this makes sense you can effect change. And im wishing you good luck with that.
- thegrimmest 1y ago> No, education is not brainwashing. I’m directly responding to your point. Ideological education is brainwashing. In fact “brainwashing” is usually just another way of saying “an ideological education I disagree with”, also known as “indoctrination”.
- iancmceachern 1y agoWhat is ideological education and why do you think it is all of education? I'm saying flowers smell good. You are saying flowers smell bad because of that one flower that smells bad.
- thegrimmest 1y agoAny conclusion that cannot be arrived at cannot be arrived at by a scientific process is inherently ideological. You’re saying flowers smell good. I say they smell bad. Neither of us is any more right than the other, since these are entirely subjective takes. The closest you could get is that flowers might smell good to x% of the population, which is what schools should teach. Not that they smell good or bad. The distinction is small but important, since the latter conclusion doesn’t make any judgements about people with a legitimate minority opinion.
- compfingers 1y agowhat moral conclusions?
- thegrimmest 1y agoFor example: What’s the right way to live? How to relate to others? On what basis do we cooperate? What are/are not the overall goals of society? What’s the meaning of life? What is it to be a good person?
- iancmceachern 1y agoThese are most certainly left up to the individual. None of these things were part of my, and most folks' public education.
- thegrimmest 1y agoI would disagree. Many ideological worldviews are taught in the curriculums of the public education system. For instance, the idea that homosexuality is wrong (not a view I personally hold) is not tolerated. Students are taught that homosexuality is a valid, normal, way to live (and I happen to agree). However, whether it is right or wrong, valid or invalid, is an ideological argument. Schools should simply teach that it occurs in humans, and leave the question of whether to accept or reject it to parents (there are plenty of other natural behaviours many of us reject on ideological grounds, polygamy for instance). There are countless other examples where ideology is taught as curriculum.
- compfingers 1y agoSchool's do not teach ideologies because Ideologies are a set of beliefs resistant to contrary fact. Homosexuality being normal and valid is not an ideology, it's accepted scientific truth. Being against it is an ideology. You are saying "countless ideological worldviews" are being taught, but I'm struggling to come up with even one, and my wife is a teacher So, what is a view you personally do hold, to defend your viewpoint so firmly?
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- mcsniff 1y agoI didn't say it was, but you've conveniently ignored the rest of the sentence to derail the discussion.