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You say no need for staff then describe the need for technical staff with specific sysops capabilities. You can pay for a lot of seats with a $70k salary and t

You say no need for staff then describe the need for technical staff with specific sysops capabilities. You can pay for a lot of seats with a $70k salary and that's on the very low end. If you account for opportunity cost you have to be very large before on-prem becomes worth while or your time must be worth so little that you're probably better doing another business.

zrobotics 1y ago
But there are tons of small businesses that use IT MSPs. That's how it used to be done for companies that aren't large enough for a full-time IT staff member. Take for example my friend who works in a ~15 person office in a specialty finance field. Most of their software is SaaS, but they still need someone to manage that software. Plus, the eternal struggle of setting up, managing and supporting employee machines means they need IT services, they just use a local firm. Before SaaS, they would likely have a small on-prem server, but they would be hiring the same MSP firm and probably paying roughly the same amount. SaaS software is normally way more expensive, and that cost increase isn't often offset by a greatly reduced consulting fee for many small businesses. I have a friend that works at an MSP, they have customers who need help setting up and managing a Square POS system. While that is easier to configure that a locally hosted windows based one from 20 years ago, it's still more than many people opening a restaurant are comfortable with. And is the monthly fee cheaper that a one-time purchase and setup fee plus occasional paid upgrades? I'd genuinely be curious to see an accounting breakdown for a restaurant's software & hardware costs now vs 20 years ago. Hardware is certainly cheaper, but I'm not that convinced that it's really much cheaper overall. Square POS is 69/mo + 50/mo/device for the minimum anything beyond a popup or food truck would need [0], and $828/year minimum isn't exactly free, damn near doubled to $1428 if you have a second register. Especially if you also need to hire the same MSP, just at a potentially reduced number of hours per year. [0] https://squareup.com/us/en/point-of-sale/restaurants/pricing https://squareup.com/us/en/point-of-sale/restaurants/pricing
- sanswork 1y ago
  You say before SaaS like you weren't there. As someone that was trust me there is a reason businesses jumped at the chance for SaaS. On-Prem is awful for just about everyone. Even when I was working with very large companies like PwC that had IT departments those departments spent half their time complaining about having to managing the office servers and random installs. Companies didn't just force SaaS to happen, clients moved to companies offering it then the rest of the companies followed. SquarePOS is free. The monthly fees come from addons which you'd be paying for as multiple separate pieces of software previously. Stuff like Kitchen management/time roll/online ordering/etc. Plus your merchant account costs which if I remember right last time I got an actual merchant account about 15 years ago was $500-1000. Also the monthly fee is per location not terminal so you've doubled up the fee incorrectly.
hoppp 1y ago
No need for staff for me, I can do it myself. Been doing it for many years, for small projects. On prem is worth it. A 35 euro/ month hetzner server beats any SaaS at the same price range and can host many projects. And if I hit the jackpot and get millions of users, I prefer to pay employee salaries than vendor lock-in SaaS fees.
- sanswork 1y ago
  You are staff.

zrobotics 1y ago

But there are tons of small businesses that use IT MSPs. That's how it used to be done for companies that aren't large enough for a full-time IT staff member. Take for example my friend who works in a ~15 person office in a specialty finance field. Most of their software is SaaS, but they still need someone to manage that software. Plus, the eternal struggle of setting up, managing and supporting employee machines means they need IT services, they just use a local firm. Before SaaS, they would likely have a small on-prem server, but they would be hiring the same MSP firm and probably paying roughly the same amount. SaaS software is normally way more expensive, and that cost increase isn't often offset by a greatly reduced consulting fee for many small businesses. I have a friend that works at an MSP, they have customers who need help setting up and managing a Square POS system. While that is easier to configure that a locally hosted windows based one from 20 years ago, it's still more than many people opening a restaurant are comfortable with. And is the monthly fee cheaper that a one-time purchase and setup fee plus occasional paid upgrades? I'd genuinely be curious to see an accounting breakdown for a restaurant's software & hardware costs now vs 20 years ago. Hardware is certainly cheaper, but I'm not that convinced that it's really much cheaper overall. Square POS is 69/mo + 50/mo/device for the minimum anything beyond a popup or food truck would need [0], and $828/year minimum isn't exactly free, damn near doubled to $1428 if you have a second register. Especially if you also need to hire the same MSP, just at a potentially reduced number of hours per year. [0] https://squareup.com/us/en/point-of-sale/restaurants/pricing https://squareup.com/us/en/point-of-sale/restaurants/pricing

sanswork 1y ago
You say before SaaS like you weren't there. As someone that was trust me there is a reason businesses jumped at the chance for SaaS. On-Prem is awful for just about everyone. Even when I was working with very large companies like PwC that had IT departments those departments spent half their time complaining about having to managing the office servers and random installs. Companies didn't just force SaaS to happen, clients moved to companies offering it then the rest of the companies followed. SquarePOS is free. The monthly fees come from addons which you'd be paying for as multiple separate pieces of software previously. Stuff like Kitchen management/time roll/online ordering/etc. Plus your merchant account costs which if I remember right last time I got an actual merchant account about 15 years ago was $500-1000. Also the monthly fee is per location not terminal so you've doubled up the fee incorrectly.

hoppp 1y ago

No need for staff for me, I can do it myself. Been doing it for many years, for small projects. On prem is worth it. A 35 euro/ month hetzner server beats any SaaS at the same price range and can host many projects. And if I hit the jackpot and get millions of users, I prefer to pay employee salaries than vendor lock-in SaaS fees.

sanswork 1y ago
You are staff.