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It's normal for programs to reach out to the internet for purposes other than spying on the user. Microsoft is a trustworthy company that wouldn't deploy spywar

It's normal for programs to reach out to the internet for purposes other than spying on the user. Microsoft is a trustworthy company that wouldn't deploy spyware within an app included in the OS.

eps 1y ago
That's sarcasm, HN. That's how sarcasm looks like.
Wobbles42 1y ago
This is true. It can't be considered spyware as long as the beneficiary is publically traded.
lurk2 1y ago
I’m not asking this rhetorically: Are you being sarcastic?
- charcircuit 1y ago
  No. Deploying spyware would break the trust that consumers and businesses have with Microsoft.
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    Funny. https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an-extraordinary-level-of-trust-that-microsoft-hasnt-earned/ https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an... I could list another fifty examples if motivated. Reminds me of this other funny comment as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31727293 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31727293 Truth is MS had several horrendous unrelated security breaches in the last years. Despite some scolding by senators it’s business as usual, profits up. So no, MS doesn’t care about trust of the little people and maybe never did.
notrealyme123 1y ago
I am not sure if this is sarcasm. But personal information leaving my private computer without my knowledge would be very close to to spyware. Edit: Maybe I am to blind for sarcasm.
- k4rli 1y ago
  Tbf you installed it so you've consented to it. It's like installing a security camera in your own bathroom and then complaining about privacy.
  - fuzzfactor 1y ago
    More like a plumber tasked with "modernizing" your bathroom, who as part of the process installs the camera surreptitiously precisely so you won't complain about compromised privacy. In any event it looks like that bridge is no longer for sale whole-hog. There were some fairly high bidders. A whole lot more people can enjoy the opportunity to participate through timesharing now though than ever before :)
kekebo 1y ago
Is this intentional devils advocacy for the sake of balancing an expected narrative? Outside of the rarely normative definition threshold as to what constitutes spyware or not, on what data / references (if any) do you base your impression on? And how does a perception of company trustworthiness correlate with telemetry ethics that don't infringe in some way on 'basic digital human rights' (as defined by GDPR et al, say)?
- charcircuit 1y ago
  >for the sake of balancing an expected narrative? Yes, because there are many people on this site who also believe a packet being sent to microsoft = spying. A lot of these people grew up with or were influenced by people who grew before the prevelance of the internet when software engineering was still immature when programs typically didn't communicate with the internet on their own. >do you base your impression on? My impression is based off the employees who work there who I would trust wouldn't add things like taking webcam screenshots and sending them back to Microsoft to look at. >how does a perception of company trustworthiness correlate with telemetry ethics Consumers and businesses will lose trust in a business if the telemetry data is not anonymized properly and put under strict privacy controls.
  - userbinator 1y ago
    Consumers and businesses will lose trust in a business I think you're really taking the piss now. Guess how much people trust MS (and the rest of Big Tech) these days.
    - kekebo 1y ago
      Overton window calculation usually starts at a minimum of two inputs without proximity requirements (except technical requirements like linguistics/ functional semantics)* [ * Only because an opinion may appear too far removed from a given perceived spectrum-threshold for 'reasonable reasoning'.. should not necessitate collapsing the contrasting input to some purely sarcastic/humorous telos, especially when this stochastically undermines one's own chances for being afforded the inversely congruent gesture]
ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
You must not be aware of the long history of Microsoft being very untrustworthy and lying about how their software behaves. e.g. funding SCO to pursue a campaign against Linux users and threatening to take them to court for using Linux: https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/fact-and-fiction-in-the-microsoft-sco-relationship/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/fact-and-fiction-in-... e.g. DOS ain't done til Lotus won't run: https://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2005/08/dos_aint_done_t.html https://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2005/08/dos_aint_don... and many, many more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft
- charcircuit 1y ago
  >DOS ain't fine til Lotus won't run That article debunks that this was ever a thing.

It's normal for programs to reach out to the internet for purposes other than spying on the user. Microsoft is a trustworthy company that wouldn't deploy spyware within an app included in the OS.

eps 1y ago

That's sarcasm, HN. That's how sarcasm looks like.

Wobbles42 1y ago

This is true. It can't be considered spyware as long as the beneficiary is publically traded.

lurk2 1y ago

I’m not asking this rhetorically: Are you being sarcastic?

charcircuit 1y ago
No. Deploying spyware would break the trust that consumers and businesses have with Microsoft.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  Funny. https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an-extraordinary-level-of-trust-that-microsoft-hasnt-earned/ https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an... I could list another fifty examples if motivated. Reminds me of this other funny comment as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31727293 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31727293 Truth is MS had several horrendous unrelated security breaches in the last years. Despite some scolding by senators it’s business as usual, profits up. So no, MS doesn’t care about trust of the little people and maybe never did.

notrealyme123 1y ago

I am not sure if this is sarcasm. But personal information leaving my private computer without my knowledge would be very close to to spyware. Edit: Maybe I am to blind for sarcasm.

k4rli 1y ago
Tbf you installed it so you've consented to it. It's like installing a security camera in your own bathroom and then complaining about privacy.
- fuzzfactor 1y ago
  More like a plumber tasked with "modernizing" your bathroom, who as part of the process installs the camera surreptitiously precisely so you won't complain about compromised privacy. In any event it looks like that bridge is no longer for sale whole-hog. There were some fairly high bidders. A whole lot more people can enjoy the opportunity to participate through timesharing now though than ever before :)

kekebo 1y ago

Is this intentional devils advocacy for the sake of balancing an expected narrative? Outside of the rarely normative definition threshold as to what constitutes spyware or not, on what data / references (if any) do you base your impression on? And how does a perception of company trustworthiness correlate with telemetry ethics that don't infringe in some way on 'basic digital human rights' (as defined by GDPR et al, say)?

charcircuit 1y ago
>for the sake of balancing an expected narrative? Yes, because there are many people on this site who also believe a packet being sent to microsoft = spying. A lot of these people grew up with or were influenced by people who grew before the prevelance of the internet when software engineering was still immature when programs typically didn't communicate with the internet on their own. >do you base your impression on? My impression is based off the employees who work there who I would trust wouldn't add things like taking webcam screenshots and sending them back to Microsoft to look at. >how does a perception of company trustworthiness correlate with telemetry ethics Consumers and businesses will lose trust in a business if the telemetry data is not anonymized properly and put under strict privacy controls.
- userbinator 1y ago
  Consumers and businesses will lose trust in a business I think you're really taking the piss now. Guess how much people trust MS (and the rest of Big Tech) these days.
  - kekebo 1y ago
    Overton window calculation usually starts at a minimum of two inputs without proximity requirements (except technical requirements like linguistics/ functional semantics)* [ * Only because an opinion may appear too far removed from a given perceived spectrum-threshold for 'reasonable reasoning'.. should not necessitate collapsing the contrasting input to some purely sarcastic/humorous telos, especially when this stochastically undermines one's own chances for being afforded the inversely congruent gesture]

ndsipa_pomu 1y ago

You must not be aware of the long history of Microsoft being very untrustworthy and lying about how their software behaves. e.g. funding SCO to pursue a campaign against Linux users and threatening to take them to court for using Linux: https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/fact-and-fiction-in-the-microsoft-sco-relationship/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/fact-and-fiction-in-... e.g. DOS ain't done til Lotus won't run: https://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2005/08/dos_aint_done_t.html https://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2005/08/dos_aint_don... and many, many more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

charcircuit 1y ago
>DOS ain't fine til Lotus won't run That article debunks that this was ever a thing.