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if you retain power, you can fix it. the US government currently has the significant problem that one party campaigns on the government being dysfunctional, so
by adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
if you retain power, you can fix it. the US government currently has the significant problem that one party campaigns on the government being dysfunctional, so they do their best to make it so.
- antif 1y agoSo.. criminal racketeering?
- _heimdall 1y agoBut what would trump have done if he retained the presidency and lost congress? That's also been pretty common over the last few decades if I'm mistaken, a president with one or both sides of Congress is reelected but Congress flips to the opposition party.
- devmor 1y agoI would suppose that the Democrats would remove the policy regardless of who was in charge.
- Braxton1980 1y agoHow?
- ajmurmann 1y agoVote with Republicans in removing it
- riehwvfbk 1y ago[flagged]
- jyounker 1y agoBut Republicans put it in. The proposed. They were the vast majority of the votes for it. It was signed by Trump. It was their baby.
- Braxton1980 1y ago2020 - Trump goes after tiktok https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-31/trump-to-order-china-s-bytedance-to-sell-tiktok-u-s-operations https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-31/trump-to-... In 2024 two bills (merged later) went through the Republican controlled House with a bipartisan vote (350+ for) [1] then the Democrat controlled Senate [2] with another bipartisan vote (79-18, attached to an Israeli funding bill) basically following whatTrump wanted. Late 2024 - Trump then offered to save the service when the Public turned against the ban and used it as a campaign item. 2025 - His supporters were all over Tiktok praising him, including the CEO of Tiktok when he put a pause on the required sale. He's also extended the deadline multiple times now. ---------------------------- Republicans might start using this tactic more now that it's been shown to work. It's similar to the "Fuck the next admin" tax bill that he put in his first term. [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-house-vote-force-bytedance-divest-tiktok-or-face-ban-2024-03-13/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-house-vote-force-byted... [2] https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-ban-congress-bill-1c48466df82f3684bd6eb21e61ebcb8d https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-ban-congress-bill-1c48466d...
- happyopossum 1y agoBut they didn’t, so that supposition is bunk
- devmor 1y agoWhen did they have control of the senate without a BD being the lynchpin?
- Braxton1980 1y agoHe would do nothing because his supporters believe misinformation and worship him. Prices haven't gone down at all nor will bringing manufacturing to the US do this (likely causing them to go up) but his approval rating is 50%
- _heimdall 1y ago> He would do nothing because his supporters believe misinformation and worship him. Interesting, that hasn't been my experience. I live in a very red part of the country and most people I know are Trump supporters, including some family members have been very MAGA since 2016. I've been hearing more and more complaints over missed promises: no Epstein files, raising budgets, RFK is starting to water down his promises, no end to the Ukraine or Gaza wars, etc.
- jacobolus 1y agoHe missed effectively every promise from 2016. Why did these people vote for him 2 more times, especially after an attempted coup? Maybe these "complaints" are just an attempt to dodge personal responsibility for having supported a catastrophe.
- Braxton1980 1y agoHe's removing the illegal immigrants and being very aggressive about it.
- _heimdall 1y agoSure you can guess at a person's intentions or reasoning, but my experience here is that there weren't many complaints in the first term for whatever reason and now there are. I couldn't get inside their head to say why. My read on them is largely that the complaints are legitimate frustrations though. This isn't exactly a part of the country where voters are somewhat evenly split and Trump supports would need to save face or smooth over interpersonal friction by giving a nod to the idea that he may not deliver.
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- motorest 1y ago> But what would trump have done if he retained the presidency and lost congress? Trump is blaming Biden for the obvious outcome of Trump's tarrif nonsense. What do you think Trump would have done?
- _heimdall 1y agoYou have to be fair though, politicians always blame someone else and its usually the last person that was in charge. How often do you hear any one politician claim the glory of a situation that they had nothing to do with? And when was the last time you actually heard a politician own their failing or apologize?
- motorest 1y ago> You have to be fair though, politicians always blame someone else and its usually the last person that was in charge. I don't think this is a reasonable or informed take. It's quite obvious that the tarrif lunacy is single handedly causing an economic downturn. Trump himself has downplayed the relevance of this downturn with inane comments over how tarrifs would also be painful to the US economy. If you see a politician like Trump claiming both that tarrifs will be painful to the US and that the economic pain caused by Trump's tarrifs is blamed on whoever was there before him, you need to be massively disingenuous or naive to claim that "politicians always blame both sides". There is nothing normal about Trump's actions.
- _heimdall 1y agoMy claim wasn't whether trump is responsible, of course his tariffs are having a very real impact. My point was that one should never expect a politician to admit that, at best they dodge claiming responsibility but more often than not they point at someone else, often the last person in office. If you'd like to say my claim is uninformed that's fine, but I ask again for examples when a politician directly owned their failure or apologized for it.
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- glompers 1y agoThis civic control correlation can simply have more to do with the most-white-supremacist Democrats switching to the GOP en masse and also simultaneously leaving multiethnic cities and school districts en masse after the 1960s. That self-selection left Republicans not a competitive amount of credibility or voter pool behind to work with. Your implication that policy dysfunction has ensued on that account rather than because of fiscal drain -- that's a separate topic. Individual states and individual cities have too many fiscal policy similarities and differences, overlapping, to responsibly compare in any online discussion.
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- rayiner 1y ago> That self-selection left Republicans not a competitive amount of credibility or voter pool behind to work with. So by your logic New York is a better governed state than Florida? Net internal migration would seem to disagree.
- _heimdall 1y agoIs it your opinion that the only factor relevant for those deciding what state to move to is quality of government? I'm surprised that things like the job market wouldn't come into play, for example.