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> If a fraction of the lurid tales of corruption prove valid, then this is not a bad thing. If my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle. > The SSA was

> If a fraction of the lurid tales of corruption prove valid, then this is not a bad thing. If my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle. > The SSA was never anything other than a Tenth Amendment violation to begin with, as shown by FDR's court packing threat[1], so a bit of external review seems in order. I know about the plan. But how did you make the jump from that to SSA being unconstitutional? > Some sort of sane transition plan off of these socialized programs would be of great interest to a super-majority of voters, one expects. A plan to eliminate program that keeps 22 million Americans out of poverty most of whom are seniors is of great interest to a super-majority of voters? Kids, this is what happens when you read far right conspiracy theory websites for news.

smitty1e 1y ago
> But how did you make the jump from that to SSA being unconstitutional? The 10A was intended to preclude scope creep. In defense of FDR, the voters let the Progressives run plays. So here we sit, decades later, waiting for a debt bomb to 'splode.
- thrance 1y ago
  The progressives were never in power... Tell me, how will the "Big Beautiful Bill", that adds multiple trillions to the debt while gutting essential social programs, will fix your "debt bomb"? To me, it appears like straight up stealing, putting all the country's wealth in tax cuts to the rich and government contracts to military contractors. All the while placing the country on a sure path to financial and social ruin.
  - Dracophoenix 1y ago
    > The progressives were never in power... Prohibition, state-run eugenics programs, the end of freedom of contract, Wickard v. Fillburn, the Imperial Presidency, internationalist interventionism, etc. were all born from the original Progressivism movement.
    - thrance 1y ago
      Notice that all these policies are antithetical to modern progressive movements.
- const_cast 1y ago
  > So here we sit, decades later, waiting for a debt bomb to 'splode. Social Security has literally never missed a payment. It's arguably the most successful government program ever. The reality is that all you armchair "ahhh deficit!!1" people have no answers to anything. We don't want granny dying in the street. I don't want that, you don't want that. Okay, so we need some social... security. It's not rocket science. If you're not proposing real alternatives that actually at least have a chance of working, then you're just arguing in bad faith and nobody cares about you. And, to jump the gun here, no - private choice insurance IS NOT a replacement. That is explicitly not security and we run right back into "granny dying in street" problem.

smitty1e 1y ago

> But how did you make the jump from that to SSA being unconstitutional? The 10A was intended to preclude scope creep. In defense of FDR, the voters let the Progressives run plays. So here we sit, decades later, waiting for a debt bomb to 'splode.

thrance 1y ago
The progressives were never in power... Tell me, how will the "Big Beautiful Bill", that adds multiple trillions to the debt while gutting essential social programs, will fix your "debt bomb"? To me, it appears like straight up stealing, putting all the country's wealth in tax cuts to the rich and government contracts to military contractors. All the while placing the country on a sure path to financial and social ruin.
- Dracophoenix 1y ago
  > The progressives were never in power... Prohibition, state-run eugenics programs, the end of freedom of contract, Wickard v. Fillburn, the Imperial Presidency, internationalist interventionism, etc. were all born from the original Progressivism movement.
  - thrance 1y ago
    Notice that all these policies are antithetical to modern progressive movements.
const_cast 1y ago
> So here we sit, decades later, waiting for a debt bomb to 'splode. Social Security has literally never missed a payment. It's arguably the most successful government program ever. The reality is that all you armchair "ahhh deficit!!1" people have no answers to anything. We don't want granny dying in the street. I don't want that, you don't want that. Okay, so we need some social... security. It's not rocket science. If you're not proposing real alternatives that actually at least have a chance of working, then you're just arguing in bad faith and nobody cares about you. And, to jump the gun here, no - private choice insurance IS NOT a replacement. That is explicitly not security and we run right back into "granny dying in street" problem.