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Mansa Musa is totally worth reading about, as are philosophers etc. like Ibn Khaldun and others (Ibn Khaldun wrote about Mansa Musa's pilgrimage, wealth, etc.).

Mansa Musa is totally worth reading about, as are philosophers etc. like Ibn Khaldun and others (Ibn Khaldun wrote about Mansa Musa's pilgrimage, wealth, etc.). There was a lot going on in medieval Africa, I wish I had some good sources, if anyone knows any I'd be interested in expanding my knowledge as well!

AStonesThrow 1y ago
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- gwervc 1y ago
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  - crusadecrusade 1y ago
    The name matters a lot less than what they say, and I assume that principal will hold.
    - AStonesThrow 1y ago
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  - ashoeafoot 1y ago
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  - pclmulqdq 1y ago
    "Jihad" in Arabic just means "struggle." There is a large gap between what "jihad" means, even in a Muslim context, and what you think it means.
    - remarkEon 1y ago
      Surely someone who is signing up for an account on an American tech message board would understand the connotation that word carries in the West (and indeed in Islamic society as well, since contextual usage makes it quite obvious what's inferred and there are multiple words that could be used instead). An innocent excuse of "well in my language it just means struggle" is only going to fool the naïve.
      - defrost 1y ago
        "only" seems unlikely. There are many words aquired across cultures and given meanings that differ from their original context. Using such words can prompt discussion and leave some better informed about original meaning in original contexts in populations that dwarf the US population.
        remarkEon 1y ago
        > in populations that dwarf the US population. Why should I care about this? Is your point that the population of Islamic societies it greater than the US population, and thus they get to dictate how that word is used in this country, in its own cultural context?
        defrost 1y ago
        HN is a US tech forum, sure .. the US tech sector, of course, is composed of a wealth of people not born in the US, or born in the US to immigrant parents. You are welcome to maintain your keyhole view of language and the world, others see a bigger picture .. which runs contrary to your assertion about "only".
        remarkEon 1y ago
        No, I don't have to agree with this actually. My view of language isn't a keyhole because I refuse to play a game about the very obvious meaning of that word. The US tech sector is, first and foremost, the US tech sector. I am not required to adopt a watered down version of reality or supplant my own language because there's people from other countries who work here.
    - duskwuff 1y ago
      I am suddenly reminded of the fact that the most recent movie adaptation of Dune used the word "crusade" for what the book consistently, unflinchingly called a "jihad". https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/10/11/paul-atreides-led-a-jihad-not-a-crusade-heres-why-that-matters https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/10/11/paul-atreides-...
      - saagarjha 1y ago
        Ew I didn't realize they ruined the movies like that
        duskwuff 1y ago
        Honestly, I can understand the decision. "Jihad" is technically the correct term, but it carries so many negative connotations in the West that using it would be a distraction.
  - krapp 1y ago
    Go ahead. Literally no one will care about it as much as you care about this.
    - AStonesThrow 1y ago
      Yarr, ye olde username be fittin' fer parley in thar virtual tavern
ashoeafoot 1y ago
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petepete 1y ago
There are episodes of In Our Time on The Empire of Mali (incl Mansa Musa) and Ibn Khaldun https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kgggv https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kgggv https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qckbw https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qckbw
jorgen123 1y ago
The wikipedia page about the Mali Empire [1] has a few books in the Further Reading section. This one looks promising: African Dominion: A New History of Empire in Early and Medieval West Africa [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire [2] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34928286-african-dominion?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=AE3ZEV17Id&rank=1 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34928286-african-dominio...

AStonesThrow 1y ago

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gwervc 1y ago
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- crusadecrusade 1y ago
  The name matters a lot less than what they say, and I assume that principal will hold.
  - AStonesThrow 1y ago
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- ashoeafoot 1y ago
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- pclmulqdq 1y ago
  "Jihad" in Arabic just means "struggle." There is a large gap between what "jihad" means, even in a Muslim context, and what you think it means.
  - remarkEon 1y ago
    Surely someone who is signing up for an account on an American tech message board would understand the connotation that word carries in the West (and indeed in Islamic society as well, since contextual usage makes it quite obvious what's inferred and there are multiple words that could be used instead). An innocent excuse of "well in my language it just means struggle" is only going to fool the naïve.
    - defrost 1y ago
      "only" seems unlikely. There are many words aquired across cultures and given meanings that differ from their original context. Using such words can prompt discussion and leave some better informed about original meaning in original contexts in populations that dwarf the US population.
      - remarkEon 1y ago
        > in populations that dwarf the US population. Why should I care about this? Is your point that the population of Islamic societies it greater than the US population, and thus they get to dictate how that word is used in this country, in its own cultural context?
        defrost 1y ago
        HN is a US tech forum, sure .. the US tech sector, of course, is composed of a wealth of people not born in the US, or born in the US to immigrant parents. You are welcome to maintain your keyhole view of language and the world, others see a bigger picture .. which runs contrary to your assertion about "only".
        remarkEon 1y ago
        No, I don't have to agree with this actually. My view of language isn't a keyhole because I refuse to play a game about the very obvious meaning of that word. The US tech sector is, first and foremost, the US tech sector. I am not required to adopt a watered down version of reality or supplant my own language because there's people from other countries who work here.
  - duskwuff 1y ago
    I am suddenly reminded of the fact that the most recent movie adaptation of Dune used the word "crusade" for what the book consistently, unflinchingly called a "jihad". https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/10/11/paul-atreides-led-a-jihad-not-a-crusade-heres-why-that-matters https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/10/11/paul-atreides-...
    - saagarjha 1y ago
      Ew I didn't realize they ruined the movies like that
      - duskwuff 1y ago
        Honestly, I can understand the decision. "Jihad" is technically the correct term, but it carries so many negative connotations in the West that using it would be a distraction.
- krapp 1y ago
  Go ahead. Literally no one will care about it as much as you care about this.
  - AStonesThrow 1y ago
    Yarr, ye olde username be fittin' fer parley in thar virtual tavern

ashoeafoot 1y ago

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petepete 1y ago

There are episodes of In Our Time on The Empire of Mali (incl Mansa Musa) and Ibn Khaldun https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kgggv https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kgggv https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qckbw https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qckbw

jorgen123 1y ago

The wikipedia page about the Mali Empire [1] has a few books in the Further Reading section. This one looks promising: African Dominion: A New History of Empire in Early and Medieval West Africa [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire [2] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34928286-african-dominion?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=AE3ZEV17Id&rank=1 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34928286-african-dominio...