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> 174 is so small it can't go through both chambers on its own so it needs to get attached a larger bill like OBBA. There's a minimum size for laws?

Pet_Ant 1y ago
I think there is a limit on the number of bills that can make it through the procedures so it’s too low profile to get scheduled.
- sigwinch 1y ago
  I don’t understand the downvotes. Fewer than, say, 2% of 15000 bills pass across two sessions. 274, to be precise. Some bill is always #275.
coliveira 1y ago
Theoretically no, but congress won't vote anything that has no collateral advantages to everybody involved.
- antonvs 1y ago
  Which is one of the many ways in which the system is broken.
  - rs186 1y ago
    It's almost funny that small code reviews are preferred in software engineering (https://google.github.io/eng-practices/review/developer/small-cls.html https://google.github.io/eng-practices/review/developer/smal...), but in Congress we have these stupid "big beautiful bill(s)" that are sometimes thousand pages long, and sometimes only released hours before a formal vote. Almost like these bills are intended to fool constituents, cripple opponents' plans, and created just in the hope that they get passed and signed into law without anyone looking carefully.
    - VladVladikoff 1y ago
      The short timeline actually makes this an excellent opportunity for LLM analysis if you have a model which could digest the entire bill without reaching token limits.
    - caseyohara 1y ago
      Code reviews for 10 lines of code: 100 suggestions Code reviews for 1000 lines of code: LGTM Omnibus bill packages get the same LGTM treatment where legislators don’t even read the whole thing.
Braxton1980 1y ago
Why would a senator from Kentucky vote for a bill that doesn't benefit his state to a meaningful amount?
- ajmurmann 1y ago
  Because they are a patriot. If not why are they in politics..?! Whom am I kidding...
  - teitoklien 1y ago
    Back during the communist vs capitalism and free market era Politicians were patriotic like you hope them now to be, they were worried about the rise of communism and were extremely attentive and focused and unified to making sure capitalism and free market works for the masses, that everyday westerners are enriched and have better social and health outcomes than their communist counterparts. It did succeed to the point that Boris Yeltsin after dissolution of USSR was dumbfounded by just looking at american grocery stores that are affordable for public in comparison to the Empty shelves back at home [0] However after the end of cold war they gave up on bipartisan, or helping society as “one nation” in almost every major western democracy. They filed every major new infrastructure build with red tape, red tape, bureaucratic nightmare. They made the economy as a pingpong ball to intentionally sabotage it for the incoming rival presidency/prime ministers, while benefiting themselves with unsustainable debt. They gave up all public infrastructure like highspeed rail, cheap transportation like Greyhound Buses across american cities, cheap housing, good housing.They gutted our manufacturing and industries, outsourced all our jobs with no better ones for those without jobs to replace them. Now everything’s going to shit, and they wonder why people are starting to vote in populists and authoritarians, they were sold a great and good ideal of men and women, parliamentarians working together united to deliver the public with better outcomes for everyone in a democracy. Yet now they see them busy with personal enrichment, ideological wars, petty infighting, inaction on key issues. And then they wonder why people are voting in and then tolerating objectively authoritarian dictators sometimes evil sometimes good who promise to steamroll changes as a monarch/dictator, just in hopes that they just ignore the democratic chaos and finally deliver the public something (even though often they also just personally enrich themselves or make the problems worse) we lost our prosperity, authoritarians promised us prosperity if we give away our freedoms now most of us are going to lose both at current trajectory. All because of petty infighting and laziness and lack of patriotism among politicians. European and American society will need another cold war of ideologies with them on one side to actually defend and work for common citizens again, they wont do it until then, they’ll only do the bareminimum while continuing their petty fights and lectures as “leaders”. [0](https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/13/how-a-russians-grocery-store-trip-in-1989-exposed-the-lie-of-socialism/ https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/13/how-a-russians-grocery-...)
weberer 1y ago
Anything that's not a budget reconciliation bill can just get filibustered in the senate by the minority party. That's why they're attaching everything to the OBBBA.

Pet_Ant 1y ago

I think there is a limit on the number of bills that can make it through the procedures so it’s too low profile to get scheduled.

sigwinch 1y ago
I don’t understand the downvotes. Fewer than, say, 2% of 15000 bills pass across two sessions. 274, to be precise. Some bill is always #275.

coliveira 1y ago

Theoretically no, but congress won't vote anything that has no collateral advantages to everybody involved.

antonvs 1y ago
Which is one of the many ways in which the system is broken.
- rs186 1y ago
  It's almost funny that small code reviews are preferred in software engineering (https://google.github.io/eng-practices/review/developer/small-cls.html https://google.github.io/eng-practices/review/developer/smal...), but in Congress we have these stupid "big beautiful bill(s)" that are sometimes thousand pages long, and sometimes only released hours before a formal vote. Almost like these bills are intended to fool constituents, cripple opponents' plans, and created just in the hope that they get passed and signed into law without anyone looking carefully.
  - VladVladikoff 1y ago
    The short timeline actually makes this an excellent opportunity for LLM analysis if you have a model which could digest the entire bill without reaching token limits.
  - caseyohara 1y ago
    Code reviews for 10 lines of code: 100 suggestions Code reviews for 1000 lines of code: LGTM Omnibus bill packages get the same LGTM treatment where legislators don’t even read the whole thing.

Braxton1980 1y ago

Why would a senator from Kentucky vote for a bill that doesn't benefit his state to a meaningful amount?

ajmurmann 1y ago
Because they are a patriot. If not why are they in politics..?! Whom am I kidding...
- teitoklien 1y ago
  Back during the communist vs capitalism and free market era Politicians were patriotic like you hope them now to be, they were worried about the rise of communism and were extremely attentive and focused and unified to making sure capitalism and free market works for the masses, that everyday westerners are enriched and have better social and health outcomes than their communist counterparts. It did succeed to the point that Boris Yeltsin after dissolution of USSR was dumbfounded by just looking at american grocery stores that are affordable for public in comparison to the Empty shelves back at home [0] However after the end of cold war they gave up on bipartisan, or helping society as “one nation” in almost every major western democracy. They filed every major new infrastructure build with red tape, red tape, bureaucratic nightmare. They made the economy as a pingpong ball to intentionally sabotage it for the incoming rival presidency/prime ministers, while benefiting themselves with unsustainable debt. They gave up all public infrastructure like highspeed rail, cheap transportation like Greyhound Buses across american cities, cheap housing, good housing.They gutted our manufacturing and industries, outsourced all our jobs with no better ones for those without jobs to replace them. Now everything’s going to shit, and they wonder why people are starting to vote in populists and authoritarians, they were sold a great and good ideal of men and women, parliamentarians working together united to deliver the public with better outcomes for everyone in a democracy. Yet now they see them busy with personal enrichment, ideological wars, petty infighting, inaction on key issues. And then they wonder why people are voting in and then tolerating objectively authoritarian dictators sometimes evil sometimes good who promise to steamroll changes as a monarch/dictator, just in hopes that they just ignore the democratic chaos and finally deliver the public something (even though often they also just personally enrich themselves or make the problems worse) we lost our prosperity, authoritarians promised us prosperity if we give away our freedoms now most of us are going to lose both at current trajectory. All because of petty infighting and laziness and lack of patriotism among politicians. European and American society will need another cold war of ideologies with them on one side to actually defend and work for common citizens again, they wont do it until then, they’ll only do the bareminimum while continuing their petty fights and lectures as “leaders”. [0](https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/13/how-a-russians-grocery-store-trip-in-1989-exposed-the-lie-of-socialism/ https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/13/how-a-russians-grocery-...)

weberer 1y ago

Anything that's not a budget reconciliation bill can just get filibustered in the senate by the minority party. That's why they're attaching everything to the OBBBA.