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Most countries in the West have hordes of homeless people everywhere...is it the gambling? Saying a drug addiction has a "somewhat limited" impact is delusiona

Most countries in the West have hordes of homeless people everywhere...is it the gambling? Saying a drug addiction has a "somewhat limited" impact is delusional. Particularly as addiction is an inherent property of taking drugs, that is not the case for gambling.

epolanski 1y ago
Maybe I wasn't clear, and please understand both my parents suffered of addictions. If my father or mother got high or drunk every evening I did not. Terrible, pitiful, psychological nightmare, sure. But I was not intoxicated. On the other hand, I've seen the impacts of ludomania. When parents go broke or accumulate unpayable debts that's something you cannot recover with rehab and that will have insane implications for the whole family for decades. I hope you understand now what I mean. One of my best friends SO suffers of ludomania, a court has ordered his salary to be paid to her, and she gives him an 80€s monthly allowance. They got lucky, another family I know got completely ruined in the course of few weeks. By the way, I'm polish/Italian, and we don't have hordes of homeless people, I don't think I've ever seen a single homeless person in my life in Poland.
- sokoloff 1y ago
  > debts that will last generations That’s something that should be banned. Debts should die as part of settling the decedent’s estate. (The US got this right, and I thought most of the world did as well.)
- skippyboxedhero 1y ago
  Okay...but they are still alive? Poland has tens of thousands drug and alcohol-induced deaths, you can lose your money doing anything: gambling, women, bad business, job loss, etc. Many, many more people will have lost all their money because of alcohol in Poland than gambling...you only care about one of these things. The only explanation is that you care about people losing money in ways you don't approve of.
  - epolanski 1y ago
    > The only explanation is that you care about people losing money in ways you don't approve of. I don't see a way for this discussion to find a middle ground. Ludomania is classified as a mental disorder and a very real illness. I've seen it's effects along the effects of other addictions and my two cents is that it can be more devastating to people surrounding the addict than others. Misery is misery regardless of the disorder, addiction or illness, we don't need to have a competition between it. But it is very important to underline that gambling is not only increasingly legal but increasingly deregulated too.

epolanski 1y ago

Maybe I wasn't clear, and please understand both my parents suffered of addictions. If my father or mother got high or drunk every evening I did not. Terrible, pitiful, psychological nightmare, sure. But I was not intoxicated. On the other hand, I've seen the impacts of ludomania. When parents go broke or accumulate unpayable debts that's something you cannot recover with rehab and that will have insane implications for the whole family for decades. I hope you understand now what I mean. One of my best friends SO suffers of ludomania, a court has ordered his salary to be paid to her, and she gives him an 80€s monthly allowance. They got lucky, another family I know got completely ruined in the course of few weeks. By the way, I'm polish/Italian, and we don't have hordes of homeless people, I don't think I've ever seen a single homeless person in my life in Poland.

sokoloff 1y ago
> debts that will last generations That’s something that should be banned. Debts should die as part of settling the decedent’s estate. (The US got this right, and I thought most of the world did as well.)
skippyboxedhero 1y ago
Okay...but they are still alive? Poland has tens of thousands drug and alcohol-induced deaths, you can lose your money doing anything: gambling, women, bad business, job loss, etc. Many, many more people will have lost all their money because of alcohol in Poland than gambling...you only care about one of these things. The only explanation is that you care about people losing money in ways you don't approve of.
- epolanski 1y ago
  > The only explanation is that you care about people losing money in ways you don't approve of. I don't see a way for this discussion to find a middle ground. Ludomania is classified as a mental disorder and a very real illness. I've seen it's effects along the effects of other addictions and my two cents is that it can be more devastating to people surrounding the addict than others. Misery is misery regardless of the disorder, addiction or illness, we don't need to have a competition between it. But it is very important to underline that gambling is not only increasingly legal but increasingly deregulated too.