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I always find it funny that people are up in arms about artists supposedly losing their jobs, but have no problems with doctors losing their jobs to AI advancem

I always find it funny that people are up in arms about artists supposedly losing their jobs, but have no problems with doctors losing their jobs to AI advancements. Replace the people who actually contribute to society and no issues, but god forbid the pixel artist can't get paid to doodle anymore.

hombre_fatal 1y ago
I think it's fair to feel bad for how AI is going to eat all of our lunches (either now or 5min from now). But at the end of the day, you either accept it or pitch an alternative. What's the alternative? Freeze tech advancement at 2020's tech in your country? At what expense, and for what gain?
- varelse 1y ago
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- prds_lost 1y ago
  The guillotine will be the alternative if we don't figure out how society is going to function and distribute resources when there is minimal demand for human labor.
  - hombre_fatal 1y ago
    Sure. But it's not the responsibility of every individual who builds a lil AI tool to solve that. And there may be no viable solution except for the one that we JIT at the last possible second like humanity always does for everything.
JohnKemeny 1y ago
If you seriously think doctors are losing their jobs due to ai advances, you need to check your sources. Most likely, more people will need medical attention.
- bobxmax 1y ago
  Of course they're going to lose their job. ChatGPT is already replacing a bunch of requests that would otherwise be at a walk-in clinic. AI is being shown to be a better diagnostician in many cases than physicians. AI is rapidly reducing the need for radiologists. You think in 20 years you have more doctors than today? Please.
  - sarchertech 1y ago
    My wife is a pediatric ER doctor. There has been no decrease in visits since ChatGPT came out. If anything there have been more because ChatGPT over recommends ER visits. Expert systems have been able to diagnose many illnesses better than doctors for decades but they have replaced precisely zero doctors for many reasons, but the biggest is that they can’t accept liability for their recommendations. No company will ever release a consumer medical product that doesn’t tell 99% of patients they should check with their doctor. Also do you have any idea how many times my wife has said something to friends and family like “no you don’t need to go to the ER, you can wait and if their fever doesn’t go away in X days see their pediatrician during normal hours. It’s likely a virus and nothing can be done anyway”, only to have that person take their child to the ER because they want a doctor to look at their kid and tell them face face that nothing is wrong. A phone call with an expert they know isn’t enough to replace an in person visit. ChatGPT will never be enough. As far as radiologists go, they haven’t been replaced yet despite people saying it would happen for years. And they are in a unique position where people never actually see them. But even if all image reads are done with AI, they can always retrain as interventional radiologists.
    - bobxmax 1y ago
      ChatGPT came out 2 years ago. The fact you think you're going to see rapid changes this quickly is ridiculous. Your wife's anecdotal info is a meaningless datapoint.
      - sarchertech 1y ago
        > ChatGPT is already replacing a bunch of requests that would otherwise be at a walk-in clinic. That was just to counter this statement. It’s also not her anecdote, it’s based on data across her entire enormous group. None of the ERs they staff have seen drops.
Madmallard 1y ago
For health I want the best possible solution. If that ends up being AI, then screw humans.

hombre_fatal 1y ago

I think it's fair to feel bad for how AI is going to eat all of our lunches (either now or 5min from now). But at the end of the day, you either accept it or pitch an alternative. What's the alternative? Freeze tech advancement at 2020's tech in your country? At what expense, and for what gain?

varelse 1y ago
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prds_lost 1y ago
The guillotine will be the alternative if we don't figure out how society is going to function and distribute resources when there is minimal demand for human labor.
- hombre_fatal 1y ago
  Sure. But it's not the responsibility of every individual who builds a lil AI tool to solve that. And there may be no viable solution except for the one that we JIT at the last possible second like humanity always does for everything.

JohnKemeny 1y ago

If you seriously think doctors are losing their jobs due to ai advances, you need to check your sources. Most likely, more people will need medical attention.

bobxmax 1y ago
Of course they're going to lose their job. ChatGPT is already replacing a bunch of requests that would otherwise be at a walk-in clinic. AI is being shown to be a better diagnostician in many cases than physicians. AI is rapidly reducing the need for radiologists. You think in 20 years you have more doctors than today? Please.
- sarchertech 1y ago
  My wife is a pediatric ER doctor. There has been no decrease in visits since ChatGPT came out. If anything there have been more because ChatGPT over recommends ER visits. Expert systems have been able to diagnose many illnesses better than doctors for decades but they have replaced precisely zero doctors for many reasons, but the biggest is that they can’t accept liability for their recommendations. No company will ever release a consumer medical product that doesn’t tell 99% of patients they should check with their doctor. Also do you have any idea how many times my wife has said something to friends and family like “no you don’t need to go to the ER, you can wait and if their fever doesn’t go away in X days see their pediatrician during normal hours. It’s likely a virus and nothing can be done anyway”, only to have that person take their child to the ER because they want a doctor to look at their kid and tell them face face that nothing is wrong. A phone call with an expert they know isn’t enough to replace an in person visit. ChatGPT will never be enough. As far as radiologists go, they haven’t been replaced yet despite people saying it would happen for years. And they are in a unique position where people never actually see them. But even if all image reads are done with AI, they can always retrain as interventional radiologists.
  - bobxmax 1y ago
    ChatGPT came out 2 years ago. The fact you think you're going to see rapid changes this quickly is ridiculous. Your wife's anecdotal info is a meaningless datapoint.
    - sarchertech 1y ago
      > ChatGPT is already replacing a bunch of requests that would otherwise be at a walk-in clinic. That was just to counter this statement. It’s also not her anecdote, it’s based on data across her entire enormous group. None of the ERs they staff have seen drops.

Madmallard 1y ago

For health I want the best possible solution. If that ends up being AI, then screw humans.