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Yikes, you sound jaded. I’m not going to pretend Obama was a saint but he cared about his country and the people as he worked to give people rights. And my enti

Yikes, you sound jaded. I’m not going to pretend Obama was a saint but he cared about his country and the people as he worked to give people rights. And my entire praise is for the comparison of where we are today. Now we have people actively trying to take rights away for no reason other than some rotted pride. Just my opinion in my 36 years. The only POTUS who wasn’t a “wolf in sheep's clothing” was George Washington.

spencerflem 1y ago
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- pnut 1y ago
  That sounds like a bunch of second guessing tactical decisions after the fact. Sorry he's not the second coming. Where's the rest of the political will in the USA? Looks like what the country actually wants is authoritarianism, so maybe he was just the right politician in the wrong country.
  - spencerflem 1y ago
    No I'm saying he's about as left wing Reagan. He ran on a "change" platform but failed to deliver change. He propped up the rich and shot down any sort of possible ideas that would meaningfully change anything despite being given once in a generation mandate. It dissolutioned a lot of voters, and lead to where we are now where people are desperate enough to want a strongman outsider who promises to really shake things up. If we had gotten an actual progressive instead of a textbook neoliberal things might have been different.
    - Hikikomori 1y ago
      For how long did they control congress under Obama?
- stefan_ 1y ago
  Do we add "kicked off the largest land war in Europe since WW2 when, faced with Russian occupation of Crimea, decided to equivocate and do nothing"? Not one to put the blame anywhere else than Russia of course, but that's truly the moment that told Putin it's all made up, nice speeches.
- cyberax 1y ago
  > He shut down Occupy Wall Street hard LOL, no. > bailed out the banks at our expense TARP was passed during Bush's administration.
  - fisherjeff 1y ago
    TARP also… made money for taxpayers?
- lern_too_spel 1y ago
  There are multiple historical inaccuracies in your post. > expanded warrantless NSA surveillance This is exactly the opposite of what he did. According to Snowden's leaks, he had shut down email metadata collection soon after he took office. After Snowden's leaks, he limited and then shut down mass phone metadata collection. > routinely interfered with other countries You'll have to be specific. Did you disagree with him getting Osama bin Laden from under Pakistan's protection? He put an end to America's pasttime of installing and propping up dictators in Latin America and even criticized America's past actions in that regard, resulting in the "apology tour" attacks in conservative media. The more typical criticism is that he was too light a touch, that he didn't help Libya set up a stable government after the 2011 NATO intervention in its civil war, that he didn't sufficiently sanction Russia for its actions in Georgia and Ukraine, and that he allowed Iran to assert dominance over Iraq. > He shut down Occupy Wall Street hard, Obama didn't control local police. That's Bloomberg's jurisdiction. > bailed out the banks at our expense Putting aside that EESA was passed by GWB instead of Obama, that's like complaining that somebody educated the kids at our expense. What would have happened otherwise? Obama passed Dodd-Frank banking regulation to try to prevent this from happening again. > wasted the biggest wave of progressive energy on a Republican's healthcare plan The public option couldn't go through because people like you were fooled into not voting in the midterms. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/07/11/485228991/obama-renews-call-for-a-public-option-in-federal-health-law https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/07/11/4852289... > successfully pushing for Hillary Clinton to run Clinton decided to run herself. She ran against Obama in 2008 and only barely lost, so it was no surprise that she ran in 2016. Obama famously stayed out of the 2016 primary until Clinton was the presumptive nominee in June.
  - spencerflem 1y ago
    This wikipedia page begs to differ re: NSA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveillance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveil... The dems are in a weird place because they have to both give lip service to their base while also doing the exact opposite. The alternative to bailing out the banks is bailing out the people who had money in the banks. I'm mad they got away with their crimes then and I'm mad again that Biden saved Silicon Valley Bank. The execs should have gone to jail or worse and instead they got a cool trillion dollars. Certainly Obama didn't give in to any of OWS's demands. The income gap got wider under his presidency too. The rich kept getting richer. And money sure didn't get out of politics. I'm happy to blame all the dems for being corporate stooges not just Obama. and ofc he pushed hard for the TPP- which even the senate seemed to think was too corporate. The plan was bit for bit Romney's. Even with the public option which he floundered on it wouldn't have brought us up to Europe. And I can't think of any other accomplishments he had with his supermajority. We didn't even codify Roe. "Change" seems to be one tolerable healthcare plan over eight years. If Trump can restructure the whole government with barely a majority I'm happy to blame Obama and the rest of the feckless do do-nothing dems for changing basically nothing with a supermajority. & The story I heard is Biden wanted to run but Obama talked him out of it because he thought Biden was too far left.
soulofmischief 1y ago
You're damn right I'm jaded. Grown men bomb women and children, foster international violence in exchange for dominance through the war on drugs, destabilize countries to extract labor and wealth, and we call them patriots to democracy because they also signed off on a few good social programs.

spencerflem 1y ago

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pnut 1y ago
That sounds like a bunch of second guessing tactical decisions after the fact. Sorry he's not the second coming. Where's the rest of the political will in the USA? Looks like what the country actually wants is authoritarianism, so maybe he was just the right politician in the wrong country.
- spencerflem 1y ago
  No I'm saying he's about as left wing Reagan. He ran on a "change" platform but failed to deliver change. He propped up the rich and shot down any sort of possible ideas that would meaningfully change anything despite being given once in a generation mandate. It dissolutioned a lot of voters, and lead to where we are now where people are desperate enough to want a strongman outsider who promises to really shake things up. If we had gotten an actual progressive instead of a textbook neoliberal things might have been different.
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    For how long did they control congress under Obama?
stefan_ 1y ago
Do we add "kicked off the largest land war in Europe since WW2 when, faced with Russian occupation of Crimea, decided to equivocate and do nothing"? Not one to put the blame anywhere else than Russia of course, but that's truly the moment that told Putin it's all made up, nice speeches.
cyberax 1y ago
> He shut down Occupy Wall Street hard LOL, no. > bailed out the banks at our expense TARP was passed during Bush's administration.
- fisherjeff 1y ago
  TARP also… made money for taxpayers?
lern_too_spel 1y ago
There are multiple historical inaccuracies in your post. > expanded warrantless NSA surveillance This is exactly the opposite of what he did. According to Snowden's leaks, he had shut down email metadata collection soon after he took office. After Snowden's leaks, he limited and then shut down mass phone metadata collection. > routinely interfered with other countries You'll have to be specific. Did you disagree with him getting Osama bin Laden from under Pakistan's protection? He put an end to America's pasttime of installing and propping up dictators in Latin America and even criticized America's past actions in that regard, resulting in the "apology tour" attacks in conservative media. The more typical criticism is that he was too light a touch, that he didn't help Libya set up a stable government after the 2011 NATO intervention in its civil war, that he didn't sufficiently sanction Russia for its actions in Georgia and Ukraine, and that he allowed Iran to assert dominance over Iraq. > He shut down Occupy Wall Street hard, Obama didn't control local police. That's Bloomberg's jurisdiction. > bailed out the banks at our expense Putting aside that EESA was passed by GWB instead of Obama, that's like complaining that somebody educated the kids at our expense. What would have happened otherwise? Obama passed Dodd-Frank banking regulation to try to prevent this from happening again. > wasted the biggest wave of progressive energy on a Republican's healthcare plan The public option couldn't go through because people like you were fooled into not voting in the midterms. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/07/11/485228991/obama-renews-call-for-a-public-option-in-federal-health-law https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/07/11/4852289... > successfully pushing for Hillary Clinton to run Clinton decided to run herself. She ran against Obama in 2008 and only barely lost, so it was no surprise that she ran in 2016. Obama famously stayed out of the 2016 primary until Clinton was the presumptive nominee in June.
- spencerflem 1y ago
  This wikipedia page begs to differ re: NSA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveillance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveil... The dems are in a weird place because they have to both give lip service to their base while also doing the exact opposite. The alternative to bailing out the banks is bailing out the people who had money in the banks. I'm mad they got away with their crimes then and I'm mad again that Biden saved Silicon Valley Bank. The execs should have gone to jail or worse and instead they got a cool trillion dollars. Certainly Obama didn't give in to any of OWS's demands. The income gap got wider under his presidency too. The rich kept getting richer. And money sure didn't get out of politics. I'm happy to blame all the dems for being corporate stooges not just Obama. and ofc he pushed hard for the TPP- which even the senate seemed to think was too corporate. The plan was bit for bit Romney's. Even with the public option which he floundered on it wouldn't have brought us up to Europe. And I can't think of any other accomplishments he had with his supermajority. We didn't even codify Roe. "Change" seems to be one tolerable healthcare plan over eight years. If Trump can restructure the whole government with barely a majority I'm happy to blame Obama and the rest of the feckless do do-nothing dems for changing basically nothing with a supermajority. & The story I heard is Biden wanted to run but Obama talked him out of it because he thought Biden was too far left.

soulofmischief 1y ago

You're damn right I'm jaded. Grown men bomb women and children, foster international violence in exchange for dominance through the war on drugs, destabilize countries to extract labor and wealth, and we call them patriots to democracy because they also signed off on a few good social programs.