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Caste is synonymous with social class. There is no genetic or racial component to it, and no one is claiming as such (including the people who are discriminatin

by paxys 1y ago

Caste is synonymous with social class. There is no genetic or racial component to it, and no one is claiming as such (including the people who are discriminating on the basis of caste).

lazide 1y ago
There absolutely are genetic and racial components to how it’s used. [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC311057/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC311057/]. Caste is hereditary. Marriages between castes are typically heavily managed/controlled by elders within the castes/families involved [https://hms.harvard.edu/news/what-dna-testing-reveals-about-indias-caste-system https://hms.harvard.edu/news/what-dna-testing-reveals-about-...]. Regional customs vary, but southern indian cousin marriage traditions in particular are heavily caste oriented. The only thing not ‘race’ about it, is the word. Spain and it’s colonies also had a ‘casta’ system with simpler and more explicit rules.
- paxys 1y ago
  The study shows the reverse effect. Because of the emergence of the caste system and rigid classes people stopped intermixing across caste boundaries and now 2000 years later you can find certain genetic differentiators between them.
  - lazide 1y ago
    You really might want to re-read what I wrote, and what you wrote again. Because you’re agreeing with me.
  - mrguyorama 1y ago
    The reality is the same for "Race" and "Ethnicity", and all sorts of other words that humans have used to categorize "not my family". French colonists to the new world freely intermarried (and had kids) with Native Americans and people brought over from Africa, and eventually those same groups were prevented from marrying under racist american laws. So there's lots of french blood in black people in the southern united states, but they were eventually prevented from marrying white french people, even when they were literally part of the same large family tree! There are long lines and families of black people who literally descend from my ancestors that I wouldn't have been allowed to marry! Which should clearly demonstrate that it was never about your genetic or biologic ancestry, as modern science knows. Wikipedia claims America's "blacks can't marry whites" laws have no precedent. Similarly, there was lots of inter-racial relations before some colonies banned it, and other colonies never banned it.

by paxys 1y ago

Caste is synonymous with social class. There is no genetic or racial component to it, and no one is claiming as such (including the people who are discriminating on the basis of caste).

lazide 1y ago

There absolutely are genetic and racial components to how it’s used. [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC311057/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC311057/]. Caste is hereditary. Marriages between castes are typically heavily managed/controlled by elders within the castes/families involved [https://hms.harvard.edu/news/what-dna-testing-reveals-about-indias-caste-system https://hms.harvard.edu/news/what-dna-testing-reveals-about-...]. Regional customs vary, but southern indian cousin marriage traditions in particular are heavily caste oriented. The only thing not ‘race’ about it, is the word. Spain and it’s colonies also had a ‘casta’ system with simpler and more explicit rules.

paxys 1y ago
The study shows the reverse effect. Because of the emergence of the caste system and rigid classes people stopped intermixing across caste boundaries and now 2000 years later you can find certain genetic differentiators between them.
- lazide 1y ago
  You really might want to re-read what I wrote, and what you wrote again. Because you’re agreeing with me.
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  The reality is the same for "Race" and "Ethnicity", and all sorts of other words that humans have used to categorize "not my family". French colonists to the new world freely intermarried (and had kids) with Native Americans and people brought over from Africa, and eventually those same groups were prevented from marrying under racist american laws. So there's lots of french blood in black people in the southern united states, but they were eventually prevented from marrying white french people, even when they were literally part of the same large family tree! There are long lines and families of black people who literally descend from my ancestors that I wouldn't have been allowed to marry! Which should clearly demonstrate that it was never about your genetic or biologic ancestry, as modern science knows. Wikipedia claims America's "blacks can't marry whites" laws have no precedent. Similarly, there was lots of inter-racial relations before some colonies banned it, and other colonies never banned it.