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I’m calling BS on the “remained in the same place for thousands of years” Take a course in European history, learn about all the wars, genocides, forced and u

I’m calling BS on the “remained in the same place for thousands of years” Take a course in European history, learn about all the wars, genocides, forced and unenforced migrations, plagues, etc. and even more mundane thinggs like intermarriage outside of immediate community ( very common amongst nobility ) and tell me again with a straight face you believe people have remained in the same place for thousands of years They may have recognized your wife as “foreign” based on a number of things. The most obvious being language, But it could have also been dress, makeup, demeanor etc.

pkkkzip 1y ago
Prior to industrial revolution, mass immigration was difficult, not only because of logistics but tribalism.
- ruszki 1y ago
  Hungarians mass migrated about a thousand years ago from the Ural Mountains, several thousands of kms from present Hungary. Germans mass migrated to Hungary hundreds of years ago, especially after Mongols and Turks killed most of the population there. Italians lost their appetite to coriander because the mass migration of Germanic people around and after the fall of Rome. It was more difficult, but it happened many-many times.
  - david38 1y ago
    Yea, and like you just proved, it was very difficult. Hence the choice to do it in large groups.
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  - peterfirefly 1y ago
    And they left very little trace in the genes of modern Hungarians. They did leave their language, of course. The Turks ruined a large part of Europe but their genetic footprint in Turkey is only about 8%.
    - SJC_Hacker 1y ago
      Where are you getting these numbers from ? Without digging up old cemetaries (if they’d still exist) and sequencing DNA, there’s a lot of assumotions and conjecture
- anon291 1y ago
  Not really no. Any student of linguistics is quickly dispelled of this notion
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- anthk 1y ago
  If I sort out 20 Spaniards from different provinces and regions, you wouldn't guess if they were Spaniards, French, South Germans, North/South Italians or even Irish.
  - david-gpu 1y ago
    Yeah, and some also look Moorish, middle eastern, Sephardic, etc. too. Not a big surprise when you learn about the migrations that happened in Spain during the past 2000 years or so. We are a mixed bunch.
    - anthk 1y ago
      Yeah, South Italians/moorish, close enough.
- SJC_Hacker 1y ago
  Tell it the Vandals, the Goths, the Huns, the Angles (I.e English), the Normans, the Danes, the Mongols, the Turks, etc.
travisjungroth 1y ago
You’re right, but you’re being really rude about it. It’s rare (but not impossible) for a people to have been in the same place on Earth for thousands of years. It’s more like hundreds.
- Jensson 1y ago
  > It’s rare (but not impossible) for a people to have been in the same place on Earth for thousands of years. It’s more like hundreds. Is it really rare? That seems to be the norm except for America and Africa that got replaced or displaced by colonization. But in Europe and Asia most areas has been populated by steady groups. Rulers come and go, but the people living there stays the same. I think its rare for everyone to have been there for a thousand years, but its not rare for a majority of the genes to have stayed in one place for a thosand years.
  - defrost 1y ago
    Genetics strongly suggest Australia was settled by a single broad wave of humans that spread across the continent, finfing their niche, and staying in place whether that be east, west, north south, across desert, coast, rivers, forrest, etc. This contrasts to earlier "literary" arguments in magazines such as Quadrant that native Australians moved about and fought for territories with invaders supplanting original dwellers long before Europeans arrived. - https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2016-09-22/world-first-study-reveals-rich-history-of-aboriginal-australians/7858376 https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2016-09-22/world-first-s... is a national press article on some of that, my original references to the hosted papers on this seems to be offline / unavailable ATM (damn bitrot).
  - travisjungroth 1y ago
    Thousands as in 2,000+ years? From my understanding that’s rare, at least by geography. I could be wrong. But it’s not like we’re being super precise here. It’s fuzzy enough that lots of takes are correct, depending how you frame it. That’s kind of my point in my other reply. They weren’t wrong but they were being rude about it.
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watwut 1y ago
Yeah, I do not know why this is downvoted. This is exactly true about Europe.

pkkkzip 1y ago

Prior to industrial revolution, mass immigration was difficult, not only because of logistics but tribalism.

ruszki 1y ago
Hungarians mass migrated about a thousand years ago from the Ural Mountains, several thousands of kms from present Hungary. Germans mass migrated to Hungary hundreds of years ago, especially after Mongols and Turks killed most of the population there. Italians lost their appetite to coriander because the mass migration of Germanic people around and after the fall of Rome. It was more difficult, but it happened many-many times.
- david38 1y ago
  Yea, and like you just proved, it was very difficult. Hence the choice to do it in large groups.
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- peterfirefly 1y ago
  And they left very little trace in the genes of modern Hungarians. They did leave their language, of course. The Turks ruined a large part of Europe but their genetic footprint in Turkey is only about 8%.
  - SJC_Hacker 1y ago
    Where are you getting these numbers from ? Without digging up old cemetaries (if they’d still exist) and sequencing DNA, there’s a lot of assumotions and conjecture
anon291 1y ago
Not really no. Any student of linguistics is quickly dispelled of this notion
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anthk 1y ago
If I sort out 20 Spaniards from different provinces and regions, you wouldn't guess if they were Spaniards, French, South Germans, North/South Italians or even Irish.
- david-gpu 1y ago
  Yeah, and some also look Moorish, middle eastern, Sephardic, etc. too. Not a big surprise when you learn about the migrations that happened in Spain during the past 2000 years or so. We are a mixed bunch.
  - anthk 1y ago
    Yeah, South Italians/moorish, close enough.
SJC_Hacker 1y ago
Tell it the Vandals, the Goths, the Huns, the Angles (I.e English), the Normans, the Danes, the Mongols, the Turks, etc.

travisjungroth 1y ago

You’re right, but you’re being really rude about it. It’s rare (but not impossible) for a people to have been in the same place on Earth for thousands of years. It’s more like hundreds.

Jensson 1y ago
> It’s rare (but not impossible) for a people to have been in the same place on Earth for thousands of years. It’s more like hundreds. Is it really rare? That seems to be the norm except for America and Africa that got replaced or displaced by colonization. But in Europe and Asia most areas has been populated by steady groups. Rulers come and go, but the people living there stays the same. I think its rare for everyone to have been there for a thousand years, but its not rare for a majority of the genes to have stayed in one place for a thosand years.
- defrost 1y ago
  Genetics strongly suggest Australia was settled by a single broad wave of humans that spread across the continent, finfing their niche, and staying in place whether that be east, west, north south, across desert, coast, rivers, forrest, etc. This contrasts to earlier "literary" arguments in magazines such as Quadrant that native Australians moved about and fought for territories with invaders supplanting original dwellers long before Europeans arrived. - https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2016-09-22/world-first-study-reveals-rich-history-of-aboriginal-australians/7858376 https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2016-09-22/world-first-s... is a national press article on some of that, my original references to the hosted papers on this seems to be offline / unavailable ATM (damn bitrot).
- travisjungroth 1y ago
  Thousands as in 2,000+ years? From my understanding that’s rare, at least by geography. I could be wrong. But it’s not like we’re being super precise here. It’s fuzzy enough that lots of takes are correct, depending how you frame it. That’s kind of my point in my other reply. They weren’t wrong but they were being rude about it.
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watwut 1y ago

Yeah, I do not know why this is downvoted. This is exactly true about Europe.