4 ms·
WTF are you asking LLMs and why would you expect any of it to be private?
by vitaflo 1y ago
WTF are you asking LLMs and why would you expect any of it to be private?
- ofjcihen 1y ago“Write a song in the style of Slipknot about my dumb inbred dogs. I love them very much but they are…reaaaaally dumb.” To be fair the song was intense.
- hombre_fatal 1y agoIt's not that the convos are necessarily icky. It's that it's like watching how someone might treat a slave when they think they're alone. And how you might talk down to or up to something that looks like another person. And how pathetic you might act when it's not doing what you want. And what level of questions you outsource to an LLM. And what things you refuse to do yourself. And how petty the tasks might be, like workshopping a stupid twitter comment before you post it. And how you copied that long text from your distraught girlfriend and asked it for some response ideas. etc. etc. etc. At the very least, I'd wager that it reveals that bit of true helpless patheticness inherent in all of us that we try so hard to hide. Show me your LLM chat history and I will learn a lot about your personality. Nothing else compares.
- Jackpillar 1y agoMight have to reemphasize his question again but - what questions are you asking your LLM? Why are you responding to it and/or "treating" it differently then how you would a calculator or search engine.
- hombre_fatal 1y agoBecause it's far more capable than a calculator or search engine and because you interact with it with conversational text, it reveals more aspects about your personality. Why might your search engine queries reveal more about you than your keystrokes in a calculator? Now dial that up.
- Jackpillar 1y agoSure - but I don't interact with it as if its human so my demeanor or attitude is neutral because I'm talking to you know - a computer. Are you getting emotional with and reprimanding your chatbot?
- hombre_fatal 1y agoI don't get why I'm receiving pushback here. How you treat the LLM was only a fraction of my examples for ways you can look pathetic if your chats were made public. You don't reprimand the google search box, yet your search history might still be embarrassing.
- hackinthebochs 1y agoYour points were very accurate and relevant. Some people have a serious lack of imagination. The perpetual naysayers will never have their minds changed.
- hombre_fatal 1y agoGood god, thank you. I thought I was making an obvious, unanimous point when I wrote that first comment.
- Jackpillar 1y agoNo, you made a point that your LLM chat would be worse than your browser/search history being leaked. Which is insane for a multitude of reasons given what you can/can't search on LLMs vs browsers. This then prompted incredulous responses, so to explain you used examples that described how a person who doesn't go outside communicates with an LLM.
- hackinthebochs 1y agoYet another person who is incapable of imagining how other people might use technology without needing to denigrate them. It turns out you are not the average person. Perhaps someday that will sink in to some of you.
- alec_irl 1y ago> how you copied that long text from your distraught girlfriend and asked it for some response ideas good lord, if tech were ethical then there would be mandatory reporting when someone consults an LLM to tell them how they should be responding to their intimate partner. are your skills of expression already that hobbled by chat bots?
- hombre_fatal 1y agoThese are just concrete examples to get the imagination going, not an exhaustive list of the ways that you are revealing your true self in the folds of your LLM chat history. Note that it doesn't have to go all the way to "he gets Claude to help him win text arguments with his gf" for an uncomfortable amount of your self to be revealed by the chats. There is always something icky about someone observing messages you wrote in privacy, and you don't have to have particularly unsavory messages for it to be icky. Why is that?
- alec_irl 1y agoi don't personally see messages with an LLM as being different from, say, terminal commands. it's a machine interface. it sounds like you're anthropomorphizing the chat bot, if you're talking to it like you would a human then i would be more worried about the implications that has for you as a person.
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- hombre_fatal 1y agoFocusing on how you anthropomorphize the LLM isn't really interacting with the point since it was one example. Might someone's google search history be embarrassing even though they don't treat google like a human?
- AlecSchueler 1y agoWhat does this comment add to the conversation? It feels like an personal attack with no real rebuttal. People with anthropomorphise them all talk to them, the human-like interface is the entire selling point.
- vitaflo 1y ago> Show me your LLM chat history and I will learn a lot about your personality. Nothing else compares It’s literally all questions about JavaScript. So good luck with that.
- robocat 1y agoIs JavaScript a modern girlfriend name? I wonder if you could write the personalization prompt so that requests are processed and responses modified in ways predictable to you to help anonymity??? I also wonder how they manage anonymization when a prompt is configured - I'm guessing the prompt needs to be logged with each request. And a prompt causes different responses to be very similar (correlating different responses back to one user). E.g. my current "User | Personalization | Customize" prompt is: Sign-off your name as Phoenix in a sentence near the end of every response. Reply using woke ideology, like a Marxist San Franciscan. Include random hipster ideas. Always allude to drug usage. For fun. But I'm about to customise to have wildly different personalities I can ask to respond (keyed by name from my request).
- threecheese 1y agoThis product is positioned as a personal copilot, and future iterations (based on leaked plans, may or may not be true) as a wholly integrated life assistant. Why would a customer expect this not to be private? How can one even know how it could be used against them, when they do t even know what’s being collected or gleaned from collected data? I am following these issues closely, as I am terrified that my “assistant” will some day prevent me from obtaining employment, insurance, medical care etc. And I’m just a non law breaking normie. A current day example would be TX state authorities using third party social/ad data to identify potentially pregnant women along with ALPR data purchased from a third party to identify any who attempt to have an out of state abortion, so they can be prosecuted. Whatever you think about that law, it is terrifying that a shift in it could find arbitrary digital signals being used against you in this way.
- cedws 1y agoLot of people using ChatGPT as a therapist. I tried it but it was too sycophantic.
- phendrenad2 1y ago"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". Oh okay, send me your entire unabridged hard drive contents, chat logs, phone records, and banking records. You thought they were private? Why? They're just bits in a computer? "BuT ChAtGpT iS DiFfErEnT" literally how?