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In March 2020, an Arizona man died and his wife was hospitalized after ingesting chloroquine phosphate, a substance used in fish tanks to clean aquariums, in an

In March 2020, an Arizona man died and his wife was hospitalized after ingesting chloroquine phosphate, a substance used in fish tanks to clean aquariums, in an attempt to prevent or treat COVID-19. They reportedly mixed the substance with liquid and drank it, experiencing immediate effects. The man's wife told NBC News she had seen televised briefings where President Trump discussed the potential benefits of chloroquine for COVID-19 and remembered using it for her koi fish. The Banner Health hospital system issued a warning against taking inappropriate medication and household products to treat or prevent COVID-19, emphasizing that chloroquine used for malaria should not be taken for this purpose.

_heimdall 1y ago
I don't like the president, but I don't remember seeing him say to take chloroquine phosphate tablets. I definitely heard him say that he though hydroxychloroquine might me a possible treatment, presumably referring to hydroxychloroquine sulfate tablets. More importantly though, the then (and unfortunately now) president isn't a doctor and didn't directly tell people to take it. If a person heard that and decided to eat a bottle of pills meant for a fish tank, I don't know who we could lay blame on other than the person that made that choice.
- strangattractor 1y ago
  Do you remember him suggesting to drink bleach or exposing yourself to UV? [0] Let's say for example the President keeps his yap shut about hydroxychloroquine or drinking bleach [0] etc and 10 people listening to Alex Jones die taking it because they are frightened. Now lets say POTUS goes on televised News and suggest doing dangerous things to 100 times the size of Alex Jones's audience and we end up with 1000 needless deaths of people that may not get COVID anyway. I expect Alex Jones to be an irresponsible sleaze bag but POTUS should have some restraint/intelligence. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE
  - brigandish 1y ago
    I watched that press conference[1] at the time. He didn't suggest it to the audience, as you can see in the short clip too, and even though that short clip is not only clipped in time but in the viewport so you can't see that he's speaking to a doctor, Deborah Birx[2], and asking her about these things, because they'd been discussed with him previously, off camera. I have no idea why people keep saying that he suggested injecting household detergents or drinking bleach or some other nonsense like that, other that parroting biased nonsense or coming up with it themselves. What's more worrying is the way it was reported as such, even though he's talking to journalists, the press conference was filmed start to finish and is freely available in several places. This lie needs to die. Also, if you watch earlier, the guy from Homeland goes through their experiments that show the virus does indeed die when exposed to sunlight[3]. I thought it was very interesting and instructive but the next day saw the media distorting it beyond recognition. And this, in a thread about misinformation and disinformation. [1] https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=2ITmdayt4rLNLalT&t=1591 https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=2ITmdayt4rLNLalT&t=1591 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Birx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Birx [3] https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=NQVQo3GZq-PDyqfA&t=1198 https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=NQVQo3GZq-PDyqfA&t=1198
    - strangattractor 1y ago
      The couple from Arizona would likely disagree if both were still alive - they heard what he said and acted in accordance with their interpretation. Looking at Birx face while he is making those comments indicates - to me at least - a person very uncomfortable with what is being said. If they were discussed with him before (your source of info unknown) then he clearly did not understand what was being said to him. Yes UV kills all viruses on surfaces as does bleach - it is not useful for someone already infected with COVID and neither is Hydroxychloroquine (taken internally or otherwise). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ Whether it is redrawing NOAA Hurricane projection maps, claiming COVID will all go away in a couple of months or cabinet members claiming vaccines have not been tested while simultaneously giving indication that taking untested remedies is ok - make it a little unclear who is MIS and DIS informing the public.
- strangattractor 1y ago
  You're correct he is not trained as a doctor but that doesn't stop him from giving medical advice. When referring to hydroxychloroquine "...what do you have to lose..." [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5e0AKSIm4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5e0AKSIm4

_heimdall 1y ago

I don't like the president, but I don't remember seeing him say to take chloroquine phosphate tablets. I definitely heard him say that he though hydroxychloroquine might me a possible treatment, presumably referring to hydroxychloroquine sulfate tablets. More importantly though, the then (and unfortunately now) president isn't a doctor and didn't directly tell people to take it. If a person heard that and decided to eat a bottle of pills meant for a fish tank, I don't know who we could lay blame on other than the person that made that choice.

strangattractor 1y ago
Do you remember him suggesting to drink bleach or exposing yourself to UV? [0] Let's say for example the President keeps his yap shut about hydroxychloroquine or drinking bleach [0] etc and 10 people listening to Alex Jones die taking it because they are frightened. Now lets say POTUS goes on televised News and suggest doing dangerous things to 100 times the size of Alex Jones's audience and we end up with 1000 needless deaths of people that may not get COVID anyway. I expect Alex Jones to be an irresponsible sleaze bag but POTUS should have some restraint/intelligence. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE
- brigandish 1y ago
  I watched that press conference[1] at the time. He didn't suggest it to the audience, as you can see in the short clip too, and even though that short clip is not only clipped in time but in the viewport so you can't see that he's speaking to a doctor, Deborah Birx[2], and asking her about these things, because they'd been discussed with him previously, off camera. I have no idea why people keep saying that he suggested injecting household detergents or drinking bleach or some other nonsense like that, other that parroting biased nonsense or coming up with it themselves. What's more worrying is the way it was reported as such, even though he's talking to journalists, the press conference was filmed start to finish and is freely available in several places. This lie needs to die. Also, if you watch earlier, the guy from Homeland goes through their experiments that show the virus does indeed die when exposed to sunlight[3]. I thought it was very interesting and instructive but the next day saw the media distorting it beyond recognition. And this, in a thread about misinformation and disinformation. [1] https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=2ITmdayt4rLNLalT&t=1591 https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=2ITmdayt4rLNLalT&t=1591 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Birx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Birx [3] https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=NQVQo3GZq-PDyqfA&t=1198 https://youtu.be/bATddhoI6gI?si=NQVQo3GZq-PDyqfA&t=1198
  - strangattractor 1y ago
    The couple from Arizona would likely disagree if both were still alive - they heard what he said and acted in accordance with their interpretation. Looking at Birx face while he is making those comments indicates - to me at least - a person very uncomfortable with what is being said. If they were discussed with him before (your source of info unknown) then he clearly did not understand what was being said to him. Yes UV kills all viruses on surfaces as does bleach - it is not useful for someone already infected with COVID and neither is Hydroxychloroquine (taken internally or otherwise). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ Whether it is redrawing NOAA Hurricane projection maps, claiming COVID will all go away in a couple of months or cabinet members claiming vaccines have not been tested while simultaneously giving indication that taking untested remedies is ok - make it a little unclear who is MIS and DIS informing the public.
strangattractor 1y ago
You're correct he is not trained as a doctor but that doesn't stop him from giving medical advice. When referring to hydroxychloroquine "...what do you have to lose..." [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5e0AKSIm4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5e0AKSIm4