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The entire US "race" discourse is pretty stupid, to be fair, too bad it has infected much of the rest of the world because of the influence of the US media.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
You live under a rock if you think "race discourse" originated (presumably recently) from US media or the US at all.
- gjm11 1y ago
  I don't think paganel's claim is that all race discourse is derived from the US. Rather, that (1) the race discourse in the US is stupid and (2) that much race discourse elsewhere these days is derived from the US's and is therefore similarly stupid. (Other independent race discourse might also be stupid but in different ways.)
  - gitremote 1y ago
    Race discourse in the US is not stupid. Nazis from Germany mass murdered people because of white supremacy before US critical race theory. It's important to talk about Nazis and white supremacy instead of ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away by itself.
    - ty6853 1y ago
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    - gjm11 1y ago
      It is possible for something to be important to talk about, and for the way it's talked about to be stupid. In fact, I think it's quite common. I agree with paganel that a lot of US race discourse is stupid. I agree with you that sometimes it's important to talk about race. There's no contradiction between those. (But I don't think "white supremacy" is a good way to think about the Nazis' hatred of Jewish people. They were white supremacists, but they hated the Jews for other reasons and if by some miracle they had abruptly stopped being white supremacists I think they would have gone right on persecuting Jewish people.)
  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    Yes that is how it reads now that they’ve edited to say “the US race discourse.”
bluGill 1y ago
Every place in the world I've looked into has stupid "race" issues that make no sense to anyone outside. There is a human tribal tendancy to want to find someone "different and lesser" than us that we can then look down on. Exactly what those things are vary a lot from place to place (and over history even in one place) depending on various factors. However there always is some group that is seen as lesser for no good reason.
dragonwriter 1y ago
I think you need to replace the first "US" with "European imperialist" and "US media" at the end with "European imperialism", and adjust your timeline for the origin of the problem.
- aap_ 1y ago
  Parent was not talking about the origin though. Present day obsession with so called "race" is absolutely a US phenomenon. Classifying people as "caucasian" for instance always trips me up because it's something that people would call you a nazi for elsewhere.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago

You live under a rock if you think "race discourse" originated (presumably recently) from US media or the US at all.

gjm11 1y ago
I don't think paganel's claim is that all race discourse is derived from the US. Rather, that (1) the race discourse in the US is stupid and (2) that much race discourse elsewhere these days is derived from the US's and is therefore similarly stupid. (Other independent race discourse might also be stupid but in different ways.)
- gitremote 1y ago
  Race discourse in the US is not stupid. Nazis from Germany mass murdered people because of white supremacy before US critical race theory. It's important to talk about Nazis and white supremacy instead of ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away by itself.
  - ty6853 1y ago
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  - gjm11 1y ago
    It is possible for something to be important to talk about, and for the way it's talked about to be stupid. In fact, I think it's quite common. I agree with paganel that a lot of US race discourse is stupid. I agree with you that sometimes it's important to talk about race. There's no contradiction between those. (But I don't think "white supremacy" is a good way to think about the Nazis' hatred of Jewish people. They were white supremacists, but they hated the Jews for other reasons and if by some miracle they had abruptly stopped being white supremacists I think they would have gone right on persecuting Jewish people.)
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  Yes that is how it reads now that they’ve edited to say “the US race discourse.”

bluGill 1y ago

Every place in the world I've looked into has stupid "race" issues that make no sense to anyone outside. There is a human tribal tendancy to want to find someone "different and lesser" than us that we can then look down on. Exactly what those things are vary a lot from place to place (and over history even in one place) depending on various factors. However there always is some group that is seen as lesser for no good reason.

dragonwriter 1y ago

I think you need to replace the first "US" with "European imperialist" and "US media" at the end with "European imperialism", and adjust your timeline for the origin of the problem.

aap_ 1y ago
Parent was not talking about the origin though. Present day obsession with so called "race" is absolutely a US phenomenon. Classifying people as "caucasian" for instance always trips me up because it's something that people would call you a nazi for elsewhere.