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> Curios how liberal you'd be with the criminal who'd wronged you. Mercy towards criminals is a crime towards their victims. Most societies that we would consi

by 4bpp 1y ago

> Curios how liberal you'd be with the criminal who'd wronged you. Mercy towards criminals is a crime towards their victims. Most societies that we would consider worth living in hold up the principle that matters of justice should be decided by the impartial and uninvolved. If the victim's feelings should determine the punishment, what would stop any petty theft and spicy insult (for the vast majority of countries where those are considered crimes) from being answered with the death penalty?

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>Most societies that we would consider worth living in hold up the principle that matters of justice should be decided by the impartial and uninvolved Please, don't twist my words, I never said the victim should be the judge. I asked how would the victim feel if criminality had safe spaces where they could avoid justice because they feel like the law is unfair with them. >If the victim's feelings should determine the punishment In "most societies that we would consider worth living" as per your words, the victim's feelings are always taken into account in court that determines sentencing. Case in point, men and women get disproportionate sentences in the west for the exact same crime, like sexual abuse for instance.
- dingnuts 1y ago
  > I asked how would the victim feel A lot of the kinds of crimes we're discussing here are things like being homosexual in the Middle East, where there is no victim, only a transgression imagined by religious nuts. Yes, it's good that those people have a place to go. Happy Pride.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    >A lot of the kinds of crimes we're discussing here are things like being homosexual in the Middle East Not sure why you had to go make that parallel but it really isn't. You can control yourself from committing crimes, you can't control yourself from being born gay.

by 4bpp 1y ago

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>Most societies that we would consider worth living in hold up the principle that matters of justice should be decided by the impartial and uninvolved Please, don't twist my words, I never said the victim should be the judge. I asked how would the victim feel if criminality had safe spaces where they could avoid justice because they feel like the law is unfair with them. >If the victim's feelings should determine the punishment In "most societies that we would consider worth living" as per your words, the victim's feelings are always taken into account in court that determines sentencing. Case in point, men and women get disproportionate sentences in the west for the exact same crime, like sexual abuse for instance.

dingnuts 1y ago
> I asked how would the victim feel A lot of the kinds of crimes we're discussing here are things like being homosexual in the Middle East, where there is no victim, only a transgression imagined by religious nuts. Yes, it's good that those people have a place to go. Happy Pride.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >A lot of the kinds of crimes we're discussing here are things like being homosexual in the Middle East Not sure why you had to go make that parallel but it really isn't. You can control yourself from committing crimes, you can't control yourself from being born gay.