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I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with GP, but I would imagine they would argue that an overweight kid is not "otherwise healthy children."

kube-system 1y ago
And I would argue that lives have value even when people have preexisting medical conditions.
- freedomben 1y ago
  I certainly don't disagree with that, and I would imagine there aren't many people who would, but it is not in any way an argument against how many otherwise healthy children died of covid. If you want to make an argument that an overweight child should still be considered otherwise healthy, that would be a welcome and relevant argument, and also an interesting one.
  - kube-system 1y ago
    I am saying that narrowing the discussion to "otherwise healthy children" is a reductive to a silly degree. The point is to protect all children, many of which are not otherwise healthy, or for that matter, may become unhealthy at some point.
    - logifail 1y ago
      > The point is to protect all children You'd close schools to protect a minority of children with comorbidities from a virus which doesn't threaten the vast majority of children, knowing that school closures will definitely damage all children? Umm.
      - kube-system 1y ago
        Nobody suggested anything of that sort in this entire thread.
      - int_19h 1y ago
        Is it really true about "vast majority"? In US, at least, it seems that the number of children with comorbidities such as obesity would actually be pretty high. You could argue that it's still a minority so long as it's under 50%, but I think that closing schools to protect, say, 20% of kids from a virus that can kill them is eminently reasonable.
- logifail 1y ago
  > I would argue that lives have value even when people have preexisting medical conditions (Otherwise healthy) school-age children - and younger adults - always faced a very low risk from Covid-19, and we had solid statistical data on this from at least May 2020 onwards. Maybe we need to look at where our decision-makers get their information, and their incentives?
  - kube-system 1y ago
    Again, that's all fine and great. However, many people are not "otherwise healthy" today, and nobody knows who is going to be "otherwise healthy" tomorrow.
  - pmarreck 1y ago
    Okay, what is the trade-off for ignoring that risk? What's a few extra dead kids, right? They weren’t healthy anyway, it’s just Darwinian. Much easier just to suspect an unfounded conspiracy instead. Maybe your username should be “empathyfail”

kube-system 1y ago

And I would argue that lives have value even when people have preexisting medical conditions.

freedomben 1y ago
I certainly don't disagree with that, and I would imagine there aren't many people who would, but it is not in any way an argument against how many otherwise healthy children died of covid. If you want to make an argument that an overweight child should still be considered otherwise healthy, that would be a welcome and relevant argument, and also an interesting one.
- kube-system 1y ago
  I am saying that narrowing the discussion to "otherwise healthy children" is a reductive to a silly degree. The point is to protect all children, many of which are not otherwise healthy, or for that matter, may become unhealthy at some point.
  - logifail 1y ago
    > The point is to protect all children You'd close schools to protect a minority of children with comorbidities from a virus which doesn't threaten the vast majority of children, knowing that school closures will definitely damage all children? Umm.
    - kube-system 1y ago
      Nobody suggested anything of that sort in this entire thread.
    - int_19h 1y ago
      Is it really true about "vast majority"? In US, at least, it seems that the number of children with comorbidities such as obesity would actually be pretty high. You could argue that it's still a minority so long as it's under 50%, but I think that closing schools to protect, say, 20% of kids from a virus that can kill them is eminently reasonable.
logifail 1y ago
> I would argue that lives have value even when people have preexisting medical conditions (Otherwise healthy) school-age children - and younger adults - always faced a very low risk from Covid-19, and we had solid statistical data on this from at least May 2020 onwards. Maybe we need to look at where our decision-makers get their information, and their incentives?
- kube-system 1y ago
  Again, that's all fine and great. However, many people are not "otherwise healthy" today, and nobody knows who is going to be "otherwise healthy" tomorrow.
- pmarreck 1y ago
  Okay, what is the trade-off for ignoring that risk? What's a few extra dead kids, right? They weren’t healthy anyway, it’s just Darwinian. Much easier just to suspect an unfounded conspiracy instead. Maybe your username should be “empathyfail”