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Forgive me, I'm not an expert when it comes to windowing systems but wasn't Wayland started by basically all the then current head devs of xorg? Isn't that a ta

Forgive me, I'm not an expert when it comes to windowing systems but wasn't Wayland started by basically all the then current head devs of xorg? Isn't that a tacit admission my the people that know best that the project they'd dedicated years if not decades of their lives to had reached a point where further development was untenable? Beyond the above mentioned tacit admissions, didn't nearly every major active dev on the xorg team state explicitly via various emails, blog posts, and conference talks that they saw no reasonable way forward as a matter of tech when it came to the now 21 year old xorg source, now 34 year old XFree86 source, and 41+ year old protocol model that is X11? All that said, I wish the best of luck to the X11Libre team on their endeavors.

homebrewer 1y ago
There is no team, it's a one man show, and the split is caused by personality conflict between the author and the rest of the xorg team that doesn't feel that simply shuffling code around without putting actual hard work justifies frequent ABI breakage that leaves users with a broken graphics system. Read this for more info: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1760#note_2631460 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1760#no... https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1797 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1797 I'll pass.
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- davidgerard 1y ago
  those are amazing, thank you
- phendrenad2 1y ago
  Yeah reading those links, this should have been a fork to begin with. Too many people rely on unstable XOrg. We're all used to the Linux model where HEAD is inherently unstable and breaks constantly (ask me how many times people broke the framebuffer driver in the last 5 years). But apparently XOrg does it differently.
- ChocolateGod 1y ago
  If I was someone who wanted to contribute to Xorg and read those links, I don't think I'd want to contribute anymore. Conversations happening like this inside of a company would warrant a HR investigation, regardless of who's right or wrong.

homebrewer 1y ago

There is no team, it's a one man show, and the split is caused by personality conflict between the author and the rest of the xorg team that doesn't feel that simply shuffling code around without putting actual hard work justifies frequent ABI breakage that leaves users with a broken graphics system. Read this for more info: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1760#note_2631460 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1760#no... https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1797 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1797 I'll pass.

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davidgerard 1y ago
those are amazing, thank you
phendrenad2 1y ago
Yeah reading those links, this should have been a fork to begin with. Too many people rely on unstable XOrg. We're all used to the Linux model where HEAD is inherently unstable and breaks constantly (ask me how many times people broke the framebuffer driver in the last 5 years). But apparently XOrg does it differently.
ChocolateGod 1y ago
If I was someone who wanted to contribute to Xorg and read those links, I don't think I'd want to contribute anymore. Conversations happening like this inside of a company would warrant a HR investigation, regardless of who's right or wrong.