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The problem is, policies are about generalisation. Otherwise we couldn't make any laws at all. It's not realistic to evaluate person-by-person millions of peopl

by mantas 1y ago

The problem is, policies are about generalisation. Otherwise we couldn't make any laws at all. It's not realistic to evaluate person-by-person millions of people either. Especially when you take into account that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are usually more problematic than parents who actually did immigrate. „Work“ is not always beneficial-to-society work. Especially if you have a good safety net. Even in my country break-even to pay more in taxes than you get back is above minimum wage. I'd expect it even higher in Denmark. I don't know which are more doomed. Countries who don't „accomodate“ immigrants, or countries who let them in and fail into assimilate.

jonathanstrange 1y ago
Policies should be based on proper statistical evidence. That's exactly the point. > countries who let them in and fail into assimilate There is no meaningful definition of "assimilate" in this context, at least not one that would be desirable. Immigrants have to follow the law like citizens and need to pass a language test. That's it. Anything beyond and above that is personal conjecture of the people who demand it, as there is no broad common denominator between the born citizens of a country either. You shouldn't demand of others what you cannot achieve within your own citizens (neither would any homogeneity be desirable and healthy for a country, but that's another matter).
- mantas 1y ago
  Why not desirable? It'd be very desirable for immigrants to adjust to local society. If people are not willing to integrate and assimilate their kids into host society, they should not come. We should not see people as economic unit who just produce value. People and society in general is much more complex system. One common denominator in vast majority of europe is not being a muslim. And many of issues with immigration does raise from this fundamental difference. And I'm not saying to not let in any people from muslim countries. But they should denounce their religion the moment they get work permit. And don't raise their kids accordingly.

by mantas 1y ago

jonathanstrange 1y ago

Policies should be based on proper statistical evidence. That's exactly the point. > countries who let them in and fail into assimilate There is no meaningful definition of "assimilate" in this context, at least not one that would be desirable. Immigrants have to follow the law like citizens and need to pass a language test. That's it. Anything beyond and above that is personal conjecture of the people who demand it, as there is no broad common denominator between the born citizens of a country either. You shouldn't demand of others what you cannot achieve within your own citizens (neither would any homogeneity be desirable and healthy for a country, but that's another matter).

mantas 1y ago
Why not desirable? It'd be very desirable for immigrants to adjust to local society. If people are not willing to integrate and assimilate their kids into host society, they should not come. We should not see people as economic unit who just produce value. People and society in general is much more complex system. One common denominator in vast majority of europe is not being a muslim. And many of issues with immigration does raise from this fundamental difference. And I'm not saying to not let in any people from muslim countries. But they should denounce their religion the moment they get work permit. And don't raise their kids accordingly.