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Wow excited for when Anthropic buys Cursor in a couple months and I get locked out of using OpenAI models with it. This is depressing. I just want stuff to work

by wincy 1y ago

Wow excited for when Anthropic buys Cursor in a couple months and I get locked out of using OpenAI models with it. This is depressing. I just want stuff to work.

OsrsNeedsf2P 1y ago
This is why I use Aider. Open source or GTFO
- TiredOfLife 1y ago
  And then Anthropic cuts api access to Aider
deadbabe 1y ago
Aren’t the OpenAI models worse than the alternatives?
- dmix 1y ago
  The difference is likely very marginal in practice for what most people are doing. o3 and 4o do programming just fine.
- jerpint 1y ago
  That may be true today but not in a few weeks, ideally you have access to all models whenever
selcuka 1y ago
Anthropic models are slightly better for coding tasks anyway. I believe Windsurf is in more trouble.
brookst 1y ago
Friendly advice: you will be happier if you defer reacting to things until they are actually real. We can all imagine all sorts or terrible futures. Many of us do. But there is no upside in being prematurely outraged.
paxys 1y ago
If LLMs were a sustainable business then Anthropic would have no problem selling Claude to a competitor. Heck they'd brag about it ("see OpenAI uses our models to code instead of their own!"). You see this in the industry all the time. Large tech companies compete with each other and sue each other and have deep business relationships at the same time. What this change really says is that Anthropic doesn't want to burn VC money to help a competitor. And that is the reality of "I just want stuff to work". It won't just work because there's no stable business underneath it. Until that business can be found things will keep changing and get shittier.
demosthanos 1y ago
Does anyone here actually use OpenAI models in Cursor? I kind of forgot they were even there. I've just been alternating between Claude and Gemini, and the sense I've had in online discussions is that that's pretty normal.
34679 1y ago
Void is basically the same thing, but open source and better. It's easy to use with any provider API key, even LM Studio for local models. You can use it with free models available from OpenRouter to try it out, but the quality of output is just as dependent on the model as any other solution. https://voideditor.com/ https://voideditor.com/ https://github.com/voideditor/void https://github.com/voideditor/void
- zwarag 1y ago
  People like Windsurf and Cursor because they offer them a flatrate.
  - 34679 1y ago
    Yeah, for sure. That's why I tried Cursor for a month. But as soon as I ran out of fast requests it became unusable. It had me waiting several minutes for the first token. I didn't realize how bad the experience was, fast requests included, until I used Void. It makes Cursor fast requests seem slow, and I tend to need fewer of them. The differences being that Void requests go straight to the provider instead of their own server first, and their system prompts seem to keep the models more on task.
    - demosthanos 1y ago
      How much do you spend per month on Void, though? Your testimonial is great but incomplete without that information.
      - 34679 1y ago
        That's fair. It is not the cheaper option, unless you use free or low cost models from a provider like OpenRouter. Of course, that comes with a performance hit. What I like about it is the flexibility. I run Devstral Small locally for easier tasks and it's free except for electricity. On the other hand, you can use up $20 with Gemini Pro in a couple hours with large contexts. Grok 3 mini has been a good middle ground- more capable than Devstral and less expensive than Gemini Pro. So I tend to start with Devstral unless I know it will struggle, and then move on to paid models as needed. When I do switch to a paid provider, it's noticeably better than the same provider on a Cursor paid plan, so even though it's more expensive, I feel like there's more value there. I honestly don't have a proper monthly tally yet. I've used $30 in OpenRouter credits over a couple weeks, but a lot of that was experimenting to compare quality of output.
solumunus 1y ago
Why would they when Claude Code is night and day better? It makes Cursor look like a joke in my experience.
discohead 1y ago
How Cursor is building the future of AI coding with Claude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgsoIgbT_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgsoIgbT_Y

by wincy 1y ago

Wow excited for when Anthropic buys Cursor in a couple months and I get locked out of using OpenAI models with it. This is depressing. I just want stuff to work.

OsrsNeedsf2P 1y ago

This is why I use Aider. Open source or GTFO

TiredOfLife 1y ago
And then Anthropic cuts api access to Aider

deadbabe 1y ago

Aren’t the OpenAI models worse than the alternatives?

dmix 1y ago
The difference is likely very marginal in practice for what most people are doing. o3 and 4o do programming just fine.
jerpint 1y ago
That may be true today but not in a few weeks, ideally you have access to all models whenever

selcuka 1y ago

Anthropic models are slightly better for coding tasks anyway. I believe Windsurf is in more trouble.

brookst 1y ago

Friendly advice: you will be happier if you defer reacting to things until they are actually real. We can all imagine all sorts or terrible futures. Many of us do. But there is no upside in being prematurely outraged.

paxys 1y ago

If LLMs were a sustainable business then Anthropic would have no problem selling Claude to a competitor. Heck they'd brag about it ("see OpenAI uses our models to code instead of their own!"). You see this in the industry all the time. Large tech companies compete with each other and sue each other and have deep business relationships at the same time. What this change really says is that Anthropic doesn't want to burn VC money to help a competitor. And that is the reality of "I just want stuff to work". It won't just work because there's no stable business underneath it. Until that business can be found things will keep changing and get shittier.

demosthanos 1y ago

Does anyone here actually use OpenAI models in Cursor? I kind of forgot they were even there. I've just been alternating between Claude and Gemini, and the sense I've had in online discussions is that that's pretty normal.

34679 1y ago

Void is basically the same thing, but open source and better. It's easy to use with any provider API key, even LM Studio for local models. You can use it with free models available from OpenRouter to try it out, but the quality of output is just as dependent on the model as any other solution. https://voideditor.com/ https://voideditor.com/ https://github.com/voideditor/void https://github.com/voideditor/void

zwarag 1y ago
People like Windsurf and Cursor because they offer them a flatrate.
- 34679 1y ago
  Yeah, for sure. That's why I tried Cursor for a month. But as soon as I ran out of fast requests it became unusable. It had me waiting several minutes for the first token. I didn't realize how bad the experience was, fast requests included, until I used Void. It makes Cursor fast requests seem slow, and I tend to need fewer of them. The differences being that Void requests go straight to the provider instead of their own server first, and their system prompts seem to keep the models more on task.
  - demosthanos 1y ago
    How much do you spend per month on Void, though? Your testimonial is great but incomplete without that information.
    - 34679 1y ago
      That's fair. It is not the cheaper option, unless you use free or low cost models from a provider like OpenRouter. Of course, that comes with a performance hit. What I like about it is the flexibility. I run Devstral Small locally for easier tasks and it's free except for electricity. On the other hand, you can use up $20 with Gemini Pro in a couple hours with large contexts. Grok 3 mini has been a good middle ground- more capable than Devstral and less expensive than Gemini Pro. So I tend to start with Devstral unless I know it will struggle, and then move on to paid models as needed. When I do switch to a paid provider, it's noticeably better than the same provider on a Cursor paid plan, so even though it's more expensive, I feel like there's more value there. I honestly don't have a proper monthly tally yet. I've used $30 in OpenRouter credits over a couple weeks, but a lot of that was experimenting to compare quality of output.

solumunus 1y ago

Why would they when Claude Code is night and day better? It makes Cursor look like a joke in my experience.

discohead 1y ago

How Cursor is building the future of AI coding with Claude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgsoIgbT_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgsoIgbT_Y