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Go read some of the things Israeli officials actually say about Palestinians. Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank. Sorry,

Go read some of the things Israeli officials actually say about Palestinians. Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank. Sorry, you're just literally ignorant here. Likud and their ilk do not hide their true feelings, American media just doesn't like to bring it up

edanm 1y ago
> Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank. For the record, there is a lot of Hamas presence in the WB, even if it's not Hamas controlled. So if you are referring to government action in the WB, then it is aimed against terrorists. If you're referring to what extremist settlers are doing in the WB, like setting Palestinian houses on fire and threatening violence and sometimes committing violence against Palestinians, then that's a different story. It's not official Israeli government action, but gets some tacit backing (and arguably a lot of tacit backing) from this government, and is absolutely heinous.
tim333 1y ago
>you're just literally ignorant here I may be less ignorant than you think - I've been to Israel four times and to Jordan and recently to Dahab in Egypt fairly close to Gaza. Lots of racial groups don't like each other but that's not really the issue here. Jordan won't have the Palestinians because when they let them in some of them tried to overthrow their government and Egypt are not keen because islamic terrorist groups, not actually Hamas but allied come over and machine gun tourists and try to overthrow their government. It's not because the arabs in those places are racist against arabs, it's that people don't like groups trying to kill and overthrow them. Similarly Gaza was reasonably peaceful until they October killings and kidnappings. Think of that in your own context - if some group came and started killing your people and trying to overthrow your government would you say that's hunky dory or try to do something about it? I mention this not because I think the Israelis are good or anything but the kill some people and be surprised when they hit back strategy is not productive. If the palestinians want peace they should renounce that, release hostages and say we want peace. But most of the Palestinian demos I see are about "river to the sea" ie overthrow Israel, not asking for peace.
- the_af 1y ago
  > Similarly Gaza was reasonably peaceful until they October killings and kidnappings There's more history to Gaza and Israel's treatment of Gaza and Palestinians than the October killings.

edanm 1y ago

> Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank. For the record, there is a lot of Hamas presence in the WB, even if it's not Hamas controlled. So if you are referring to government action in the WB, then it is aimed against terrorists. If you're referring to what extremist settlers are doing in the WB, like setting Palestinian houses on fire and threatening violence and sometimes committing violence against Palestinians, then that's a different story. It's not official Israeli government action, but gets some tacit backing (and arguably a lot of tacit backing) from this government, and is absolutely heinous.

tim333 1y ago

>you're just literally ignorant here I may be less ignorant than you think - I've been to Israel four times and to Jordan and recently to Dahab in Egypt fairly close to Gaza. Lots of racial groups don't like each other but that's not really the issue here. Jordan won't have the Palestinians because when they let them in some of them tried to overthrow their government and Egypt are not keen because islamic terrorist groups, not actually Hamas but allied come over and machine gun tourists and try to overthrow their government. It's not because the arabs in those places are racist against arabs, it's that people don't like groups trying to kill and overthrow them. Similarly Gaza was reasonably peaceful until they October killings and kidnappings. Think of that in your own context - if some group came and started killing your people and trying to overthrow your government would you say that's hunky dory or try to do something about it? I mention this not because I think the Israelis are good or anything but the kill some people and be surprised when they hit back strategy is not productive. If the palestinians want peace they should renounce that, release hostages and say we want peace. But most of the Palestinian demos I see are about "river to the sea" ie overthrow Israel, not asking for peace.

the_af 1y ago
> Similarly Gaza was reasonably peaceful until they October killings and kidnappings There's more history to Gaza and Israel's treatment of Gaza and Palestinians than the October killings.