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First, things can be alive, but not persons. Second, personhood is a philosophical thing so the medical and scientific communities' opinions are not relevant

First, things can be alive, but not persons. Second, personhood is a philosophical thing so the medical and scientific communities' opinions are not relevant Third, I looked up lived experience on wiki and it is talking about knowledge gained from the experience. A baby who was born yesterday doesn't have lived experiences so are they not a person?

BugsJustFindMe 1y ago
> First, things can be alive, but not persons. Non-persons cannot be me, a person. A precursor is a precursor is a precursor.
- ImJamal 1y ago
  Human embryos are human. Are you suggesting there are human nonpersons?
  - BugsJustFindMe 1y ago
    Human embryos are special human tissue that may become human, not human. Category boundaries and specificity exist for a reason. > Are you suggesting there are human nonpersons? We quite often use the word "human" as an indicator of future or past potential or characteristic without meaning that the thing itself is a human. My dad's ashes are "human remains", but they're definitely not a person.
    - ImJamal 1y ago
      You are missing the key point. A fetus is part of human development just like toddlers and adults. Ashes are not. Just like how a sapling is a tree even if it is still in a container. You don't have to wait for the tree to be transplanted to the ground for it to be a tree.
      - BugsJustFindMe 1y ago
        > A fetus is part of human development just like toddlers and adults A fetus is part of human development different from toddlers and adults which are also parts of human development different from each other. A sperm is part of human development. A protein molecule is part of human development. A second glass of wine on a rainy evening is part of human development.
        ImJamal 1y ago
        A fetus has the exact same DNA as the adult it will become. That fetus' father's sperm does not. > A second glass of wine on a rainy evening is part of human development. You are just being obtuse. We aren't talking about that sort of development and you know it. We are talking about a toddler becoming an adolescent and a teenager becoming an adult.

BugsJustFindMe 1y ago

> First, things can be alive, but not persons. Non-persons cannot be me, a person. A precursor is a precursor is a precursor.

ImJamal 1y ago
Human embryos are human. Are you suggesting there are human nonpersons?
- BugsJustFindMe 1y ago
  Human embryos are special human tissue that may become human, not human. Category boundaries and specificity exist for a reason. > Are you suggesting there are human nonpersons? We quite often use the word "human" as an indicator of future or past potential or characteristic without meaning that the thing itself is a human. My dad's ashes are "human remains", but they're definitely not a person.
  - ImJamal 1y ago
    You are missing the key point. A fetus is part of human development just like toddlers and adults. Ashes are not. Just like how a sapling is a tree even if it is still in a container. You don't have to wait for the tree to be transplanted to the ground for it to be a tree.
    - BugsJustFindMe 1y ago
      > A fetus is part of human development just like toddlers and adults A fetus is part of human development different from toddlers and adults which are also parts of human development different from each other. A sperm is part of human development. A protein molecule is part of human development. A second glass of wine on a rainy evening is part of human development.
      - ImJamal 1y ago
        A fetus has the exact same DNA as the adult it will become. That fetus' father's sperm does not. > A second glass of wine on a rainy evening is part of human development. You are just being obtuse. We aren't talking about that sort of development and you know it. We are talking about a toddler becoming an adolescent and a teenager becoming an adult.