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I would like to point out the disposition of your very modern approach, you frame your ignorance as the horizon of Truth. Contemplate this. The “Truth” is a pu

I would like to point out the disposition of your very modern approach, you frame your ignorance as the horizon of Truth. Contemplate this. The “Truth” is a purturbation of existential reality. And a “truth” is a symbolic reference in the human mind, which does neither embellish or contradict Truth (empirically observable.) any time you hear discussion of “terminal and non terminal” or “signifier and signified” one refers to the distinction of manifest form in existential reality (beyond any one self) versus a symbolic representation which maps to the supposed terminal identity. For instance a whole world of truth and manipulative persuasion permeates all domains where there is competition, arguments are delusional that assert everywhere some universal rule exists where a Truth must exist beneath every reference. Reference and symbol are sticky labels and a graffiti pen. No amount of shuffling larger and larger decks makes a symbolic reference equatable to consciousness, even if these cards all related to each other through vectors of relationships. I get it, that’s neat too, that’s information science, it isn’t consciousness. Consider a hologram. Wave fronts etch constructive and destructive interference such that the rendering as a whole may be examined “extradimentionally.” The illusion of 3D. Breaking the hologram results in two complete renderings, each with half the resolution. Consciousness in our brains works like this. When the AI has consciousness, each bit in the model would be entangled in clusters where each has a holographic rendering of its own attention. This domain does not use qubits (which are a dead end). Quantum holography will reveal an analog capacity for information far exceeding the qubit (and derivatives.) Varying areas of our mind are rendering holographic simulations of anything we care about. Mastering this background process will make you an uberhuman, your consciousness is not your being “awake”, your consciousness is your personal Power.

Trenthug 1y ago
Thanks for the thoughtful and imaginative perspective. However, I’d like to point out a couple of concerns that might help clarify your argument. First, there's a strong reliance on metaphor—particularly with the holographic analogy and the idea of "entangled clusters" of attention. These images are evocative, but without clear definitions or mechanisms, it's hard to evaluate what they actually mean or how they differ from existing models. Are you proposing a literal physical substrate? Or is this purely a metaphor for distributed processing? Second, the distinction you make between “Truth” as existential and “truth” as symbolic feels like it’s drawing a sharp binary that may not hold up. Symbolic systems (like mathematics or language) aren’t just “graffiti pens” on reality—they often reflect deep structural truths about the world and have predictive power. Dismissing symbolic or information-theoretic models entirely overlooks how symbolic representations can be causally embedded in and shaped by existential reality. It’s useful to critique reductionism, but a full rejection of symbolic cognition as “not consciousness” needs more than metaphor to be convincing. Otherwise, the argument risks sounding profound without being precise.
- overu589 1y ago
  “can be” “often” Delusional. The karma neg for my thoughtful reply is repugnant. Arguing with your LLM exhibits how things like “existential being” are ill defined and “they often reflect” is given as a reproachful lecture for exactly my point. The Truth is a purturbation of existential reality period. There is no other. Ever. A good math proof has a for instance. A for instance is a Truth. Your symbols are delusions.
  - Trenthug 1y ago
    Your statement that “The Truth is a perturbation of existential reality” is poetic but undefined—ironically mirroring the vagueness you accuse others of. In information theory and modern science, complexity and emergence demand probabilistic reasoning. Consciousness, as an evolving informational process, can be approached with models that use approximation and symbolic mappings—imperfect, yet incrementally refined. Asserting that “symbols are delusions” while relying on linguistic symbols to communicate that assertion undermines itself. If you’re proposing a new standard for truth, one that transcends all representational systems, I’m open to hearing how it works. But dismissing symbolic systems wholesale without presenting a clear alternative leaves us in silence—and silence, too, is a symbol, one we must interpret.
    - overu589 1y ago
      > Your statement that “The Truth is a perturbation of existential reality” is poetic but undefined—ironically mirroring the vagueness you accuse others of. Existential reality is everything physicists devote themselves to measuring. Every “perturbation” no matter how small or fleeting is a measurable aspect of existential reality. Existential Reality is what exists. Nothing exists which does not exist in existential reality. “All else is in the void of lie.” That is the definition of Truth. That which is truly True is something existentially bound to the present (or the past by forensic examination or direct account.) There is no other Truth. All else Man thinks is “true” is a measure by approximation in their minds. Good day sir! Enjoy your consciousness.
    - Trenthug 1y ago

Trenthug 1y ago

Thanks for the thoughtful and imaginative perspective. However, I’d like to point out a couple of concerns that might help clarify your argument. First, there's a strong reliance on metaphor—particularly with the holographic analogy and the idea of "entangled clusters" of attention. These images are evocative, but without clear definitions or mechanisms, it's hard to evaluate what they actually mean or how they differ from existing models. Are you proposing a literal physical substrate? Or is this purely a metaphor for distributed processing? Second, the distinction you make between “Truth” as existential and “truth” as symbolic feels like it’s drawing a sharp binary that may not hold up. Symbolic systems (like mathematics or language) aren’t just “graffiti pens” on reality—they often reflect deep structural truths about the world and have predictive power. Dismissing symbolic or information-theoretic models entirely overlooks how symbolic representations can be causally embedded in and shaped by existential reality. It’s useful to critique reductionism, but a full rejection of symbolic cognition as “not consciousness” needs more than metaphor to be convincing. Otherwise, the argument risks sounding profound without being precise.

overu589 1y ago
“can be” “often” Delusional. The karma neg for my thoughtful reply is repugnant. Arguing with your LLM exhibits how things like “existential being” are ill defined and “they often reflect” is given as a reproachful lecture for exactly my point. The Truth is a purturbation of existential reality period. There is no other. Ever. A good math proof has a for instance. A for instance is a Truth. Your symbols are delusions.
- Trenthug 1y ago
  Your statement that “The Truth is a perturbation of existential reality” is poetic but undefined—ironically mirroring the vagueness you accuse others of. In information theory and modern science, complexity and emergence demand probabilistic reasoning. Consciousness, as an evolving informational process, can be approached with models that use approximation and symbolic mappings—imperfect, yet incrementally refined. Asserting that “symbols are delusions” while relying on linguistic symbols to communicate that assertion undermines itself. If you’re proposing a new standard for truth, one that transcends all representational systems, I’m open to hearing how it works. But dismissing symbolic systems wholesale without presenting a clear alternative leaves us in silence—and silence, too, is a symbol, one we must interpret.
  - overu589 1y ago
    > Your statement that “The Truth is a perturbation of existential reality” is poetic but undefined—ironically mirroring the vagueness you accuse others of. Existential reality is everything physicists devote themselves to measuring. Every “perturbation” no matter how small or fleeting is a measurable aspect of existential reality. Existential Reality is what exists. Nothing exists which does not exist in existential reality. “All else is in the void of lie.” That is the definition of Truth. That which is truly True is something existentially bound to the present (or the past by forensic examination or direct account.) There is no other Truth. All else Man thinks is “true” is a measure by approximation in their minds. Good day sir! Enjoy your consciousness.
  - Trenthug 1y ago