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Of course it surges when you re-instate complete free speech. But now you could interact with them, discuss with them, maybe sway them another way. Or you just

Of course it surges when you re-instate complete free speech. But now you could interact with them, discuss with them, maybe sway them another way. Or you just ignore them and scroll away, or even block them, so the algorithm knows you don't want that content. They're already being pulled down by the alg. It's just allowed now, and why shouldn't it be? I think it's better for humanity overall if these people are not pushed into a small echo-chamber but instead can speak freely and openly. We should go back to sticks & stones. Let hate flow off you and instead look for love, which is also still there.

sumeno 1y ago
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- jeffhuys 1y ago
  One word causing post visibility restriction is not enough for your post to make sense. Other slurs also cause this to happen, which you would probably agree with. The post is still available for reading, and will still appear under the post it's a reply to, just at the bottom behind a button.
  - sumeno 1y ago
    cisgender is not a slur
    - jeffhuys 1y ago
      I think it depends on how it’s said, and opinion. It would be nice if both of you addressed the actual point I’m trying to make instead of trying to gotcha me.
  - i80and 1y ago
    > "other slurs" Yeah, "cisgender" is a normal descriptive word, not a slur, and it's really quite strange that anybody would think it is
    - jeffhuys 1y ago
      I would like not to be talked to that way, but I agree that it shouldn’t be a bannable offence (which it isn’t). But this comes down to opinion. Would love to discuss the 99% other content of my comment though.
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        What about the word 'cisgender' causes you to not want it to be said to you?
        jeffhuys 1y ago
        This is not something I want to discuss here, as we’re completely off-topic already. Rest assured I have nothing against Trans people.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        So you're willing to make several posts about it, but not explain yourself?
        jeffhuys 1y ago
        That seems to be a fair summary of what I’ve said, yes. I’ve already gone too far, as evidenced by us even having this discussion. I don’t want to discuss such private matters with you, here. I’ll have to explain myself over and over again and open up another can of worms that I’m simply not wanting to open. It is what it is.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        That's certainly your right. Similarly, it is the right of anyone reading this exchange to speculate on why you have a problem with the word "cisgender", and why this question was the point when you chose to stop engaging.
bananapub 1y ago
> Of course it surges when you re-instate complete free speech. what? Elon routinely complies with random countries asking him to ban users, and routinely bans people he personally doesn't like. he even banned someone who was just reposting public flight data! what on earth does "complete free speech" mean to you??!
- jeffhuys 1y ago
  Routinely? I doubt that. Of course I don't agree with everything he does, but I agree with his vision.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    His vision seems to be "freedom for me, not for thee"
    - jeffhuys 1y ago
      Nice. Good discussion.
  - Vortigaunt 1y ago
    First thing that pops up on google: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/25/elon-musk-x-twitter-free-speech-government-requests/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/25/elon-mu... Anyone still swayed by his vision is painfully naive
righthand 1y ago
And when all the hate speech proponents flood the platform with bots? What happens when pushing down is not enough because there is too much? What happens when there are so many new accounts posting hate speech you can’t block them either. Free speech and word detection algorithms are not good moderation they are lazy moderation that refuses to address the problem most people have with Twitter. Twitter is not the US and does not guarantee free speech. To insist that it must because it’s a US company is entirely missing the point. Banning people is essentially ignoring people. Which is what the text of “sticks and stones” is instructing.
- jeffhuys 1y ago
  I’ve never mentioned “because it’s a US company” so I’ll ignore that part of the message. Sticks & stones is a general thing that’s missing in a lot of people nowadays. Trying to protect everyone from bad words will only make them react more when they inevitably will encounter said bad words. As for the rest of the “what if”s, I guess we’ll see what happens when it happens. As of right now, my For You page is filled with science, discussions, tech, friends, well-known people having normal discussions with “plebs”, etc. If you don’t find value in the platform, simply don’t use it. Use Bluesky if you want.
  - wildpeaks 1y ago
    As much as I hoped Blue Sky might succeed where Mastodon didn't, it's by far the platform where I've gotten the most unwanted dickpics and thirst traps, and the general vibe feels so shallow and performative. The signal to noise ratio is so low even when curating feeds, it feels pointless to post anything meaningful anymore, it just gets drowned in the noise and bots.
    - jeffhuys 1y ago
      Oh wow, didn’t know that. I never left X but saw a lot of talk about BS when the transition happened. I just assumed it was a clone of Twitter with mostly the people who left. That sucks tho. I’m not against other places existing if it makes people feel better.

sumeno 1y ago

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jeffhuys 1y ago
One word causing post visibility restriction is not enough for your post to make sense. Other slurs also cause this to happen, which you would probably agree with. The post is still available for reading, and will still appear under the post it's a reply to, just at the bottom behind a button.
- sumeno 1y ago
  cisgender is not a slur
  - jeffhuys 1y ago
    I think it depends on how it’s said, and opinion. It would be nice if both of you addressed the actual point I’m trying to make instead of trying to gotcha me.
- i80and 1y ago
  > "other slurs" Yeah, "cisgender" is a normal descriptive word, not a slur, and it's really quite strange that anybody would think it is
  - jeffhuys 1y ago
    I would like not to be talked to that way, but I agree that it shouldn’t be a bannable offence (which it isn’t). But this comes down to opinion. Would love to discuss the 99% other content of my comment though.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
      What about the word 'cisgender' causes you to not want it to be said to you?
      - jeffhuys 1y ago
        This is not something I want to discuss here, as we’re completely off-topic already. Rest assured I have nothing against Trans people.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        So you're willing to make several posts about it, but not explain yourself?
        jeffhuys 1y ago
        That seems to be a fair summary of what I’ve said, yes. I’ve already gone too far, as evidenced by us even having this discussion. I don’t want to discuss such private matters with you, here. I’ll have to explain myself over and over again and open up another can of worms that I’m simply not wanting to open. It is what it is.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
        That's certainly your right. Similarly, it is the right of anyone reading this exchange to speculate on why you have a problem with the word "cisgender", and why this question was the point when you chose to stop engaging.

bananapub 1y ago

> Of course it surges when you re-instate complete free speech. what? Elon routinely complies with random countries asking him to ban users, and routinely bans people he personally doesn't like. he even banned someone who was just reposting public flight data! what on earth does "complete free speech" mean to you??!

jeffhuys 1y ago
Routinely? I doubt that. Of course I don't agree with everything he does, but I agree with his vision.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  His vision seems to be "freedom for me, not for thee"
  - jeffhuys 1y ago
    Nice. Good discussion.
- Vortigaunt 1y ago
  First thing that pops up on google: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/25/elon-musk-x-twitter-free-speech-government-requests/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/25/elon-mu... Anyone still swayed by his vision is painfully naive

righthand 1y ago

And when all the hate speech proponents flood the platform with bots? What happens when pushing down is not enough because there is too much? What happens when there are so many new accounts posting hate speech you can’t block them either. Free speech and word detection algorithms are not good moderation they are lazy moderation that refuses to address the problem most people have with Twitter. Twitter is not the US and does not guarantee free speech. To insist that it must because it’s a US company is entirely missing the point. Banning people is essentially ignoring people. Which is what the text of “sticks and stones” is instructing.

jeffhuys 1y ago
I’ve never mentioned “because it’s a US company” so I’ll ignore that part of the message. Sticks & stones is a general thing that’s missing in a lot of people nowadays. Trying to protect everyone from bad words will only make them react more when they inevitably will encounter said bad words. As for the rest of the “what if”s, I guess we’ll see what happens when it happens. As of right now, my For You page is filled with science, discussions, tech, friends, well-known people having normal discussions with “plebs”, etc. If you don’t find value in the platform, simply don’t use it. Use Bluesky if you want.
- wildpeaks 1y ago
  As much as I hoped Blue Sky might succeed where Mastodon didn't, it's by far the platform where I've gotten the most unwanted dickpics and thirst traps, and the general vibe feels so shallow and performative. The signal to noise ratio is so low even when curating feeds, it feels pointless to post anything meaningful anymore, it just gets drowned in the noise and bots.
  - jeffhuys 1y ago
    Oh wow, didn’t know that. I never left X but saw a lot of talk about BS when the transition happened. I just assumed it was a clone of Twitter with mostly the people who left. That sucks tho. I’m not against other places existing if it makes people feel better.