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"ACTUAL discussions" like what? Because it would seem hate speech has had quite a surge: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.031

"ACTUAL discussions" like what? Because it would seem hate speech has had quite a surge: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0313293# https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

righthand 1y ago
That’s a pretty damning study, post-purchase hate speech is nearly half the Twitter content. Sounds like hate speech is the “actual discussions”.
- jeffhuys 1y ago
  That seems like a weird take. If 80% of the internet is spam (which it very well could be), is spam the internet? I guess censorship is a popular thing now on HN. Never thought I would see all you people advocating FOR censorship. I’m happy Elon seems unmoving in his stance on this. We need to progress.
  - righthand 1y ago
    The internet isn’t Twitter, people aren’t advocating for censoring the internet, they’re advocating for censoring a person on a digital service platform. If you don’t think you’d see people advocating for censorship on HackerNews then you don’t understand what HN platform is, because bans, downvotes, flagging, etc are all types of censorship. If you don’t like the platform censoring you, go somewhere else or do what Elon did and buy the platform and change the rules for yourself.
  - singleshot_ 1y ago
    I believe it’s called a “coherent speech product,” not censorship. I loathe the poorly educated.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    A lot of spam is censored by laws like CAN-SPAM act and fraud laws. Private mail services also censor spam with their own terms of service, with rules like DMARC.
jeffhuys 1y ago
Of course it surges when you re-instate complete free speech. But now you could interact with them, discuss with them, maybe sway them another way. Or you just ignore them and scroll away, or even block them, so the algorithm knows you don't want that content. They're already being pulled down by the alg. It's just allowed now, and why shouldn't it be? I think it's better for humanity overall if these people are not pushed into a small echo-chamber but instead can speak freely and openly. We should go back to sticks & stones. Let hate flow off you and instead look for love, which is also still there.
- sumeno 1y ago
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  - jeffhuys 1y ago
    One word causing post visibility restriction is not enough for your post to make sense. Other slurs also cause this to happen, which you would probably agree with. The post is still available for reading, and will still appear under the post it's a reply to, just at the bottom behind a button.
    - sumeno 1y ago
      cisgender is not a slur
      - jeffhuys 1y ago
        I think it depends on how it’s said, and opinion. It would be nice if both of you addressed the actual point I’m trying to make instead of trying to gotcha me.
    - i80and 1y ago
      > "other slurs" Yeah, "cisgender" is a normal descriptive word, not a slur, and it's really quite strange that anybody would think it is

righthand 1y ago

That’s a pretty damning study, post-purchase hate speech is nearly half the Twitter content. Sounds like hate speech is the “actual discussions”.

jeffhuys 1y ago
That seems like a weird take. If 80% of the internet is spam (which it very well could be), is spam the internet? I guess censorship is a popular thing now on HN. Never thought I would see all you people advocating FOR censorship. I’m happy Elon seems unmoving in his stance on this. We need to progress.
- righthand 1y ago
  The internet isn’t Twitter, people aren’t advocating for censoring the internet, they’re advocating for censoring a person on a digital service platform. If you don’t think you’d see people advocating for censorship on HackerNews then you don’t understand what HN platform is, because bans, downvotes, flagging, etc are all types of censorship. If you don’t like the platform censoring you, go somewhere else or do what Elon did and buy the platform and change the rules for yourself.
- singleshot_ 1y ago
  I believe it’s called a “coherent speech product,” not censorship. I loathe the poorly educated.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  A lot of spam is censored by laws like CAN-SPAM act and fraud laws. Private mail services also censor spam with their own terms of service, with rules like DMARC.

jeffhuys 1y ago

Of course it surges when you re-instate complete free speech. But now you could interact with them, discuss with them, maybe sway them another way. Or you just ignore them and scroll away, or even block them, so the algorithm knows you don't want that content. They're already being pulled down by the alg. It's just allowed now, and why shouldn't it be? I think it's better for humanity overall if these people are not pushed into a small echo-chamber but instead can speak freely and openly. We should go back to sticks & stones. Let hate flow off you and instead look for love, which is also still there.

sumeno 1y ago
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- jeffhuys 1y ago
  One word causing post visibility restriction is not enough for your post to make sense. Other slurs also cause this to happen, which you would probably agree with. The post is still available for reading, and will still appear under the post it's a reply to, just at the bottom behind a button.
  - sumeno 1y ago
    cisgender is not a slur
    - jeffhuys 1y ago
      I think it depends on how it’s said, and opinion. It would be nice if both of you addressed the actual point I’m trying to make instead of trying to gotcha me.
  - i80and 1y ago
    > "other slurs" Yeah, "cisgender" is a normal descriptive word, not a slur, and it's really quite strange that anybody would think it is