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> A lot of nationalist consider a lot of other races undesirable. The Israeli mainstream right is fairly open about their attitudes to gentiles, whether arab mu

by edanm 1y ago

> A lot of nationalist consider a lot of other races undesirable. The Israeli mainstream right is fairly open about their attitudes to gentiles, whether arab muslim, arab christians, or the disposable lives of US servicemen they wish to fight wars on their behalf. That's not true and kind of outrageous - you're basically saying "the majority of Israelis are racist". The Israeli mainstream right has a lot of views I disagree with, but they're directed at people who are (in their minds at least) Israel's enemies. It's not because they are Arabs. And they certainly don't consider US servicemen disposable, and certainly don't have a bad opinion of all "gentiles". (Ironically, the idea that Jews secretly think everyone else should be subservient to them and are therefore trying to and/or actually ruling the world, is itself a classic antisemitic line of thinking.)

queenkjuul 1y ago
Israeli officials don't even try to hide their racism towards Arabs. They are unquestionably motivated by racism, and will happily tell you so themselves. Obviously not all Israelis are right wing racists but the ones running the government absolutely are.
- edanm 1y ago
  There are some Israeli officials who are extremists and talk that way, but they represent a right-wing extreme bloc of Israeli voters. These officials have a lot of power and influence right now for a variety of reasons. But this is by no means true of the majority of Israeli officials, nor of the public.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    I'm sorry but the majority party in the Israeli government is unquestionably motivated by racism. I don't really care about the specific number of Israeli officials nationwide and their relative levels of personal racist views. The Israeli government is unabashedly engaged in a racially motivated genocide, and the officials carrying it out are in no way apologetic about their motivations. I never said anything about the majority of the Israeli public, thanks for noticing.
    - tim333 1y ago
      They are attacking Hamas who are dedicated in their charter to destroying Israel as a state. Hamas is not a race.
      - mandmandam 1y ago
        Why wouldn't you do the least bit of fact-checking before making such an incorrect assertion? > Over two-thirds of Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together > 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes > Another 2007 report, by the Center Against Racism, also found hostility against Arabs was on the rise. Among its findings, it reported that 75% of Israeli Jews do not approve of Arabs and Jews sharing apartment buildings; that over half of Jews would not want to have an Arab boss and that marrying an Arab amounts to "national treason"; and that 55% of the sample thought Arabs should be kept separate from Jews in entertainment sites. Half wanted the Israeli government to encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate. About 40% believed Arab citizens should have their voting rights removed Etc, etc. Many more examples can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel
        tim333 1y ago
        There are plenty of arab Israelis not being attacked. They would probably attack people murdering them and taking hostages of any race.
        queenkjuul 1y ago
        They're just being denied access to public services, redlined out of neighborhoods, or exiled to the ever-shrinking West Bank. Not being bombed, sure. Not being attacked, no. Socially, politically, they are.
        edanm 1y ago
drcongo 1y ago
Yes, it's outrageous to suggest it's a majority of Israelis, when polling tells us that only 47% of Israeli nationals want to kill every single man, woman, and child in Gaza. That's nowhere near a majority. Mind you, 82% of full citizens of Israel want to expel Palestinians from Gaza. That's a majority. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/ https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...

by edanm 1y ago

queenkjuul 1y ago

Israeli officials don't even try to hide their racism towards Arabs. They are unquestionably motivated by racism, and will happily tell you so themselves. Obviously not all Israelis are right wing racists but the ones running the government absolutely are.

edanm 1y ago
There are some Israeli officials who are extremists and talk that way, but they represent a right-wing extreme bloc of Israeli voters. These officials have a lot of power and influence right now for a variety of reasons. But this is by no means true of the majority of Israeli officials, nor of the public.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  I'm sorry but the majority party in the Israeli government is unquestionably motivated by racism. I don't really care about the specific number of Israeli officials nationwide and their relative levels of personal racist views. The Israeli government is unabashedly engaged in a racially motivated genocide, and the officials carrying it out are in no way apologetic about their motivations. I never said anything about the majority of the Israeli public, thanks for noticing.
  - tim333 1y ago
    They are attacking Hamas who are dedicated in their charter to destroying Israel as a state. Hamas is not a race.
    - mandmandam 1y ago
      Why wouldn't you do the least bit of fact-checking before making such an incorrect assertion? > Over two-thirds of Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together > 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes > Another 2007 report, by the Center Against Racism, also found hostility against Arabs was on the rise. Among its findings, it reported that 75% of Israeli Jews do not approve of Arabs and Jews sharing apartment buildings; that over half of Jews would not want to have an Arab boss and that marrying an Arab amounts to "national treason"; and that 55% of the sample thought Arabs should be kept separate from Jews in entertainment sites. Half wanted the Israeli government to encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate. About 40% believed Arab citizens should have their voting rights removed Etc, etc. Many more examples can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel
      - tim333 1y ago
        There are plenty of arab Israelis not being attacked. They would probably attack people murdering them and taking hostages of any race.
        queenkjuul 1y ago
        They're just being denied access to public services, redlined out of neighborhoods, or exiled to the ever-shrinking West Bank. Not being bombed, sure. Not being attacked, no. Socially, politically, they are.
        edanm 1y ago

drcongo 1y ago

Yes, it's outrageous to suggest it's a majority of Israelis, when polling tells us that only 47% of Israeli nationals want to kill every single man, woman, and child in Gaza. That's nowhere near a majority. Mind you, 82% of full citizens of Israel want to expel Palestinians from Gaza. That's a majority. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/ https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...