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These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general. We aren't trying to argue whether Tesla's are better than ICE car

These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general. We aren't trying to argue whether Tesla's are better than ICE car makers, but whether they're consistent or better against other EV's of other car makers. However, if you look at the latest press release by JDPower (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehi...) you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers. The dependability study could do with a segment purely on EV's, given that EV's as a whole are improving by roughly 33 PP100 per year.

nindalf 1y ago
Your link calls out Tesla in particular as “Note: Brand is not rank eligible because it does not meet study award criteria.” You are citing a study that specifically excludes Tesla. And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average?
- NoPicklez 1y ago
  I used the same links as the commenter above, of which I cited a more recent study and shows that Tesla isn’t as bad as they perhaps used to be. If they really wanted to exclude them they wouldn’t have included them all. I cited the study, because it was the same study commented above where the most recent study wasn’t mentioned. I’m not bragging at all, but they’re just not as bad of a car as some people are giving them a wrap for. Heck they had the same number of problem reported as Ford, does that mean Fords are bad cars? No.
  - otherme123 1y ago
    What I'm saying is just that Tesla are not "excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market" as you said. The fact that they move from the bottom to average still don't support Tesla as excellent cars when compared to the rest of the market. Note that I'm not asserting that "Tesla are the worst cars".
    - NoPicklez 1y ago
      That was my mistake in that I'd meant to compare them with other EV's, not ICEs.
- robertlagrant 1y ago
  > And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average? If you think about issues this way, I think it's fully unproductive. No one was bragging. The fact you see this as either unthinking bragging or unthinking criticism makes it very hard to talk about what matters: the facts of the matter.
  - acdha 1y ago
    They absolutely were bragging when they said this: > Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. The actual facts show otherwise, of course, so now he’s trying the squid ink approach of emitting a lot of verbiage trying to say that average and excellent mean the same thing, but that’s just a distraction from the fact that their first statement was based on brand loyalty, not data.
    - robertlagrant 1y ago
      This is what I mean - my impression is you can't tell the difference between someone commenting on a product and someone boasting about something they made or did. The OP (as far as we know) is not in a position to brag about the general status of Tesla cars, unless they are a senior person at Tesla. If I said "BMWs are excellent cars" would I be bragging?
    - NoPicklez 1y ago
      I wasn't bragging, I can't brag about them because I don't own a Tesla nor serve to gain any validation or benefit if they do well or not. A study has found that perhaps I was wrong in the eyes of a dependability study, but I still think they're an excellent car. I still think that if a Ford owner said that they think their Ford Ranger is an excellent car people wouldn't disagree because a dependability study put them as average.
csomar 1y ago
> Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. > you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers.
- NoPicklez 1y ago
  What I was referring to was in comparison to other EV's not all ICE's. That was my mistake
potato3732842 1y ago
>These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general Which is an absolutely asinine axis of comparison seeing as we live in a reality where different brands take different product lines seriously.

nindalf 1y ago

Your link calls out Tesla in particular as “Note: Brand is not rank eligible because it does not meet study award criteria.” You are citing a study that specifically excludes Tesla. And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average?

NoPicklez 1y ago
I used the same links as the commenter above, of which I cited a more recent study and shows that Tesla isn’t as bad as they perhaps used to be. If they really wanted to exclude them they wouldn’t have included them all. I cited the study, because it was the same study commented above where the most recent study wasn’t mentioned. I’m not bragging at all, but they’re just not as bad of a car as some people are giving them a wrap for. Heck they had the same number of problem reported as Ford, does that mean Fords are bad cars? No.
- otherme123 1y ago
  What I'm saying is just that Tesla are not "excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market" as you said. The fact that they move from the bottom to average still don't support Tesla as excellent cars when compared to the rest of the market. Note that I'm not asserting that "Tesla are the worst cars".
  - NoPicklez 1y ago
    That was my mistake in that I'd meant to compare them with other EV's, not ICEs.
robertlagrant 1y ago
> And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average? If you think about issues this way, I think it's fully unproductive. No one was bragging. The fact you see this as either unthinking bragging or unthinking criticism makes it very hard to talk about what matters: the facts of the matter.
- acdha 1y ago
  They absolutely were bragging when they said this: > Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. The actual facts show otherwise, of course, so now he’s trying the squid ink approach of emitting a lot of verbiage trying to say that average and excellent mean the same thing, but that’s just a distraction from the fact that their first statement was based on brand loyalty, not data.
  - robertlagrant 1y ago
    This is what I mean - my impression is you can't tell the difference between someone commenting on a product and someone boasting about something they made or did. The OP (as far as we know) is not in a position to brag about the general status of Tesla cars, unless they are a senior person at Tesla. If I said "BMWs are excellent cars" would I be bragging?
  - NoPicklez 1y ago
    I wasn't bragging, I can't brag about them because I don't own a Tesla nor serve to gain any validation or benefit if they do well or not. A study has found that perhaps I was wrong in the eyes of a dependability study, but I still think they're an excellent car. I still think that if a Ford owner said that they think their Ford Ranger is an excellent car people wouldn't disagree because a dependability study put them as average.

csomar 1y ago

> Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. > you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers.

NoPicklez 1y ago
What I was referring to was in comparison to other EV's not all ICE's. That was my mistake

potato3732842 1y ago

>These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general Which is an absolutely asinine axis of comparison seeing as we live in a reality where different brands take different product lines seriously.