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They're not actually that great of an EV anymore. The build quality is lackluster and the ride on the Model 3 in particular is quite harsh. Some of the comment

They're not actually that great of an EV anymore. The build quality is lackluster and the ride on the Model 3 in particular is quite harsh. Some of the comments I hear almost universally from prior Model 3 owners when they switch to an Ioniq 5 is how much nicer the ride quality is and how nice it is to have buttons on the dash again.

NoPicklez 1y ago
The new Model 3 released in Jan 2024 has resolved the ride harshness
- _s_a_m_ 1y ago
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- nindalf 1y ago
  Is this like how Full Self Driving is always 12 months away? All the shortcomings of the Tesla you know and hate were solved in the latest model!
  - NoPicklez 1y ago
    It’s nothing like that. There have been comments around the ride harshness of the model 3. In the latest model it has been specifically fixed. I think any self driving tech at the moment is just terrible and shouldn’t be used, for the record
    - hkpack 1y ago
      Should all the current owners are expected to be happy for the new version they did’t own?
      - Toutouxc 1y ago
        No, but prospective buyers don't need to worry about ride harshness anymore.
        hkpack 1y ago
        Supposedly. As far as I understand, whether it was fixed or not will be decided by a completely separate group of people. At some point, Tesla can just lie, and don't expect people will be able to verify. I think Elon found a glitch it tech-bro reasoning: you promise a product, people believe you and buy it, then they realise that it is not what was advertised, but it is OK, because new version has it now, so you can't complain, it is your fault in the eyes of your peers, you should have made a better research or whatever. Your FSD has almost got you killed? Don't worry, this is your fault, and anyway the bug was already fixed in the update. Probably. This time for sure.
        NoPicklez 1y ago
        Sorry but its clear you aren't thinking logically. The changes in the new 2024 version, specifically changed the suspension setup and you can mechanically verify the difference between the models because there were mechanical changes. You need to drop the FSD rhetoric, there are an enormous amount of Tesla drivers who couldn't care about FSD, but simply enjoying the car as an EV.
        hkpack 1y ago
        You are thinking logically only if you are a shareholder. Then it makes absolute sense to think like that to stay hopeful. From the consumer POV who doesn't own shares in the brand, it makes no sense at all. > enormous amount of Tesla drivers who couldn't care about FSD but simply enjoying the car as an EV Are there an enormous amount of disappointed Tesla drivers as well who stuck with it because of a sunk cost fallacy? Should, for example, CyberTruck owners who spend 150K on a bullet-proof car be happy that in the new 2026 version the panels finally will stop falling off? Should the few million people who purchased Tesla Model 3 feel better that the new version finally drives like a car?
      - _ea1k 1y ago
        No, but they should test drive the car before they buy it and decide if it is acceptable, just like everyone does when they buy a car.
      - c0brac0bra 1y ago
        If you bought a first gen android should you be mad that you didn't buy a second gen android? Is this the new "how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?"?
      - panick21_ 1y ago
        You should relax a bit. Model 3 ride was a bit 'sporty' compared to others. Some people like that, other prefer it softer. There really isn't a clear 'right' and 'wrong' here. But on avg. people seem to prefer it a bit softer, so they adjusted it slightly. Successive version always do slight changes like that over time, that how car companies work. Old owners don't need to be happy about it, or think about it at all.
  - Gareth321 1y ago
    No it's pretty good now. This isn't a software update. It's either softer or it's not. Of course it is subjective. There are plenty of cars with even softer rides, but they tend to feel a lot more floaty, especially in corners, and I personally don't like that.
- LightBug1 1y ago
  Still ugly af. Wouldn't touch it. The only well designed car ever made was the model S, and even that is long in the tooth now and was due a refresh 5 years ago. But CYbeRtrUck ... Combine that with FSD rubbish bait and switch, nutjob CEO, and the cratering of any brand goodwill ... I won't touch those cars if you paid me (seriously). And honestly, I recognise the innate progression of the technology ... but others have caught and surpassed to the point that I don't have to worry about buying the lesser car anymore when I go elsewhere.
markdog12 1y ago
I have a Model 3 2024 and the "ride quality" is beyond any other vehicle I've been in. I genuinely get a little excited every time I drive it. Best car I've ever been in or drove, and it's not close.
- noitpmeder 1y ago
  If you want to provide anything other than your isolated impression it'd be helpful to know what cars you're comparing it too. Civics? Audis? Ford F150s? On the whole seems a little... over enthusiastic...
- strix_varius 1y ago
  All this tells me is that you haven't driven very many types of vehicle.
speedgoose 1y ago
Is the 2025 Ioniq 5 still running a laggy and old looking Android 4 for its infotainment?
misiti3780 1y ago
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- tomhow 1y ago
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  - misiti3780 1y ago
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      - tomhow 1y ago
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NoPicklez 1y ago

The new Model 3 released in Jan 2024 has resolved the ride harshness

_s_a_m_ 1y ago
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nindalf 1y ago
Is this like how Full Self Driving is always 12 months away? All the shortcomings of the Tesla you know and hate were solved in the latest model!
- NoPicklez 1y ago
  It’s nothing like that. There have been comments around the ride harshness of the model 3. In the latest model it has been specifically fixed. I think any self driving tech at the moment is just terrible and shouldn’t be used, for the record
  - hkpack 1y ago
    Should all the current owners are expected to be happy for the new version they did’t own?
    - Toutouxc 1y ago
      No, but prospective buyers don't need to worry about ride harshness anymore.
      - hkpack 1y ago
        Supposedly. As far as I understand, whether it was fixed or not will be decided by a completely separate group of people. At some point, Tesla can just lie, and don't expect people will be able to verify. I think Elon found a glitch it tech-bro reasoning: you promise a product, people believe you and buy it, then they realise that it is not what was advertised, but it is OK, because new version has it now, so you can't complain, it is your fault in the eyes of your peers, you should have made a better research or whatever. Your FSD has almost got you killed? Don't worry, this is your fault, and anyway the bug was already fixed in the update. Probably. This time for sure.
        NoPicklez 1y ago
        Sorry but its clear you aren't thinking logically. The changes in the new 2024 version, specifically changed the suspension setup and you can mechanically verify the difference between the models because there were mechanical changes. You need to drop the FSD rhetoric, there are an enormous amount of Tesla drivers who couldn't care about FSD, but simply enjoying the car as an EV.
        hkpack 1y ago
        You are thinking logically only if you are a shareholder. Then it makes absolute sense to think like that to stay hopeful. From the consumer POV who doesn't own shares in the brand, it makes no sense at all. > enormous amount of Tesla drivers who couldn't care about FSD but simply enjoying the car as an EV Are there an enormous amount of disappointed Tesla drivers as well who stuck with it because of a sunk cost fallacy? Should, for example, CyberTruck owners who spend 150K on a bullet-proof car be happy that in the new 2026 version the panels finally will stop falling off? Should the few million people who purchased Tesla Model 3 feel better that the new version finally drives like a car?
    - _ea1k 1y ago
      No, but they should test drive the car before they buy it and decide if it is acceptable, just like everyone does when they buy a car.
    - c0brac0bra 1y ago
      If you bought a first gen android should you be mad that you didn't buy a second gen android? Is this the new "how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?"?
    - panick21_ 1y ago
      You should relax a bit. Model 3 ride was a bit 'sporty' compared to others. Some people like that, other prefer it softer. There really isn't a clear 'right' and 'wrong' here. But on avg. people seem to prefer it a bit softer, so they adjusted it slightly. Successive version always do slight changes like that over time, that how car companies work. Old owners don't need to be happy about it, or think about it at all.
- Gareth321 1y ago
  No it's pretty good now. This isn't a software update. It's either softer or it's not. Of course it is subjective. There are plenty of cars with even softer rides, but they tend to feel a lot more floaty, especially in corners, and I personally don't like that.
LightBug1 1y ago
Still ugly af. Wouldn't touch it. The only well designed car ever made was the model S, and even that is long in the tooth now and was due a refresh 5 years ago. But CYbeRtrUck ... Combine that with FSD rubbish bait and switch, nutjob CEO, and the cratering of any brand goodwill ... I won't touch those cars if you paid me (seriously). And honestly, I recognise the innate progression of the technology ... but others have caught and surpassed to the point that I don't have to worry about buying the lesser car anymore when I go elsewhere.

markdog12 1y ago

I have a Model 3 2024 and the "ride quality" is beyond any other vehicle I've been in. I genuinely get a little excited every time I drive it. Best car I've ever been in or drove, and it's not close.

noitpmeder 1y ago
If you want to provide anything other than your isolated impression it'd be helpful to know what cars you're comparing it too. Civics? Audis? Ford F150s? On the whole seems a little... over enthusiastic...
strix_varius 1y ago
All this tells me is that you haven't driven very many types of vehicle.

speedgoose 1y ago

Is the 2025 Ioniq 5 still running a laggy and old looking Android 4 for its infotainment?

misiti3780 1y ago

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tomhow 1y ago
Please edit swipes out of comments. It's one of the first and most important things we ask for in the Comments section of the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- misiti3780 1y ago
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  - misiti3780 1y ago
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    - tomhow 1y ago
      Not that it should matter but those downvoting your comments have high karma and long histories of making positive contributions here. Please just make an effort to use HN as it's intended. It's only a place where people want to participate because so many people put effort into keeping it that way.