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Well because Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. The only part I don't know why people would trust i

Well because Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. The only part I don't know why people would trust is the FSD/Autopilot of which I wouldn't recommend people to buy. But as an EV its an excellent car.

otherme123 1y ago
They are actually lacking. Their reliability is low (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-us-vehi...), even comparing with ICEs, and as electric vehicles they should be naturally more reliable. They are also known to refuse to participate in quality studies (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/dumb-reason-tesla-ineligible-j-d-power-quality-studies/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/dumb-reason-tesla-ineligible-j-...). In 2023 they were at the bottom of the reliability list by JD Power (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-initial-quality-study-iqs https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-init...).
- NoPicklez 1y ago
  These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general. We aren't trying to argue whether Tesla's are better than ICE car makers, but whether they're consistent or better against other EV's of other car makers. However, if you look at the latest press release by JDPower (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehi...) you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers. The dependability study could do with a segment purely on EV's, given that EV's as a whole are improving by roughly 33 PP100 per year.
  - nindalf 1y ago
    Your link calls out Tesla in particular as “Note: Brand is not rank eligible because it does not meet study award criteria.” You are citing a study that specifically excludes Tesla. And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average?
    - NoPicklez 1y ago
      I used the same links as the commenter above, of which I cited a more recent study and shows that Tesla isn’t as bad as they perhaps used to be. If they really wanted to exclude them they wouldn’t have included them all. I cited the study, because it was the same study commented above where the most recent study wasn’t mentioned. I’m not bragging at all, but they’re just not as bad of a car as some people are giving them a wrap for. Heck they had the same number of problem reported as Ford, does that mean Fords are bad cars? No.
      - otherme123 1y ago
        What I'm saying is just that Tesla are not "excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market" as you said. The fact that they move from the bottom to average still don't support Tesla as excellent cars when compared to the rest of the market. Note that I'm not asserting that "Tesla are the worst cars".
        NoPicklez 1y ago
        That was my mistake in that I'd meant to compare them with other EV's, not ICEs.
    - robertlagrant 1y ago
      > And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average? If you think about issues this way, I think it's fully unproductive. No one was bragging. The fact you see this as either unthinking bragging or unthinking criticism makes it very hard to talk about what matters: the facts of the matter.
      - acdha 1y ago
        They absolutely were bragging when they said this: > Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. The actual facts show otherwise, of course, so now he’s trying the squid ink approach of emitting a lot of verbiage trying to say that average and excellent mean the same thing, but that’s just a distraction from the fact that their first statement was based on brand loyalty, not data.
  - csomar 1y ago
    > Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. > you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers.
    - NoPicklez 1y ago
      What I was referring to was in comparison to other EV's not all ICE's. That was my mistake
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    >These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general Which is an absolutely asinine axis of comparison seeing as we live in a reality where different brands take different product lines seriously.
- timewizard 1y ago
  I dislike Tesla as a brand; however, they're not particularly lacking considering their size and price point. JD Power's "ratings" are almost entirely based on surveys and are essentially worthless.
- mistercheph 1y ago
  Bruh, JD Power is a joke, they said the Chevy Equinox is the most reliable compact SUV of 2024, look at any of their rankings, it’s all basically random, meaningless noise. I assume they just create hundreds of oveRlapping categories to make sure everyone has something they will pay the license fee to talk about in a commercial
- Gareth321 1y ago
  It depends on the segment and time range and market. MotorEasy conducted a survey in 2024 in the U.K. with 29,967 respondents. (https://www.whatcar.com/news/most-reliable-cars/n27337 https://www.whatcar.com/news/most-reliable-cars/n27337) The Tesla Model Y was the 9th (equal) most reliable car. However Teslas tend to fare poorly in the Consumer Reports survey in the U.S. I suspect one of the reasons for the discrepancy between this market and the U.S. is that the U.K. received Tesla shipments a lot later for new models - years, in fact. This gave Tesla time to iron out first-model issues. Another is potentially the location of manufacture. Most Teslas sold in the U.K. come from China and Germany. Most Teslas sold in the U.S. come from Fremont, California. There were widespread reports of strange manufacturing practises at the Fremont plan during the covid outbreak, like spray-painting cars in makeshift tents. Interestingly, MotorEasy found that gas and hybrids were the most reliable. Diesel were the least reliable.
  - MisterTea 1y ago
    I'd chalk up the low diesel reliability to all the emission systems. Before all the Mercedes D's would run forever, million miles. Even the heavy truck engines could reach a million miles. Now the emission systems including EGR, SCR, and DPF, add injectors, plumbing and electronics. The EGR and DPF systems clog up with soot or burn up from regen
- hartator 1y ago
  Isn’t Tesla Model S Plaid still ranked the fastest (maybe 1 or 2 $300k super cars are faster) while being the safest and have arguably the most advanced self drive available in the market?
- dreamcompiler 1y ago
  My Model Y is the most reliable car I've ever owned, except it eats tires quickly because it's so heavy. Just one anecdote of course. I'll never buy another one as long as Elon Musk is associated with the company, but I'd be crazy to sell it now because it's paid for and it's a great car.
jajko 1y ago
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bobsomers 1y ago
They're not actually that great of an EV anymore. The build quality is lackluster and the ride on the Model 3 in particular is quite harsh. Some of the comments I hear almost universally from prior Model 3 owners when they switch to an Ioniq 5 is how much nicer the ride quality is and how nice it is to have buttons on the dash again.
- NoPicklez 1y ago
  The new Model 3 released in Jan 2024 has resolved the ride harshness
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  - nindalf 1y ago
    Is this like how Full Self Driving is always 12 months away? All the shortcomings of the Tesla you know and hate were solved in the latest model!
    - NoPicklez 1y ago
      It’s nothing like that. There have been comments around the ride harshness of the model 3. In the latest model it has been specifically fixed. I think any self driving tech at the moment is just terrible and shouldn’t be used, for the record
      - hkpack 1y ago
        Should all the current owners are expected to be happy for the new version they did’t own?
        Toutouxc 1y ago
        No, but prospective buyers don't need to worry about ride harshness anymore.
Dkumpikolo 1y ago
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mattmanser 1y ago
The cybertruck is an excellent car?
- NoPicklez 1y ago
  I wouldn’t know but I was speaking on behalf of the model 3/Y. It’s easy to pick the worst model of the lot and use it to disregard the entire brand, but I can’t expect any more critical thought from some online
  - guappa 1y ago
    > I can’t expect any more critical thought from some online Thank you for contributing to lower the overall amount of critical thinking on the internet.
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sirdvd 1y ago
> Well because Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. whilst surely top ranked, they apparently share the top with others makers (https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/?selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997,54278,54293&selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=54301,51097&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...) (Large Family Cars category, last two years, order by occupant protection).
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dashundchen 1y ago
Tesla came out last in a 2-3 and 4-5 reliability comparison by the German inspection service TÜV, for the past two years. https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom-in-german-tuv-reliability-test-again/ https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom...
mmmlinux 1y ago
Do they have CarPlay yet?
jmyeet 1y ago
But they aren't. What Tesla has going for them primarily is the Supercharger network. The Cybertruck is a complete disaster of a vehicle with so many issues (eg [1]) that the only reason people buy them is to make a political statement from a group that 3+ years ago wouldn't have been caught buying an EV. Teslas are drivable iPads. Many people (myself included) not only hate this (because it's hard to use without looking) but it's also lazy design. By this I mean, it allows manufacturers to say "we'll fix it with a software update" (and then probably never get around to it) whereas haptic controls require more thought and effort to be put into the UI/UX during manufacturing. For other Teslas, there have been a host of other issues, some small, some not. For example, the seats were unreliable if adjusted too often so Tesla made an OTA update to limit how much you can adjust the seats to avoid failure [2]. The only thing propping up Tesla sales now are trade restrictions on BYD. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7 https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk... [2]: https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-now-monitors-how-often-you-adjust-your-seat-position-and-will-disable-controls-for-chronic-abusers/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-now-monitors-how-ofte...
- horns4lyfe 1y ago
  So what it has going for it is the most importantly part of the EV ecosystem?

otherme123 1y ago

They are actually lacking. Their reliability is low (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-us-vehi...), even comparing with ICEs, and as electric vehicles they should be naturally more reliable. They are also known to refuse to participate in quality studies (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/dumb-reason-tesla-ineligible-j-d-power-quality-studies/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/dumb-reason-tesla-ineligible-j-...). In 2023 they were at the bottom of the reliability list by JD Power (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-initial-quality-study-iqs https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-init...).

NoPicklez 1y ago
These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general. We aren't trying to argue whether Tesla's are better than ICE car makers, but whether they're consistent or better against other EV's of other car makers. However, if you look at the latest press release by JDPower (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehi...) you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers. The dependability study could do with a segment purely on EV's, given that EV's as a whole are improving by roughly 33 PP100 per year.
- nindalf 1y ago
  Your link calls out Tesla in particular as “Note: Brand is not rank eligible because it does not meet study award criteria.” You are citing a study that specifically excludes Tesla. And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average?
  - NoPicklez 1y ago
    I used the same links as the commenter above, of which I cited a more recent study and shows that Tesla isn’t as bad as they perhaps used to be. If they really wanted to exclude them they wouldn’t have included them all. I cited the study, because it was the same study commented above where the most recent study wasn’t mentioned. I’m not bragging at all, but they’re just not as bad of a car as some people are giving them a wrap for. Heck they had the same number of problem reported as Ford, does that mean Fords are bad cars? No.
    - otherme123 1y ago
      What I'm saying is just that Tesla are not "excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market" as you said. The fact that they move from the bottom to average still don't support Tesla as excellent cars when compared to the rest of the market. Note that I'm not asserting that "Tesla are the worst cars".
      - NoPicklez 1y ago
        That was my mistake in that I'd meant to compare them with other EV's, not ICEs.
  - robertlagrant 1y ago
    > And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average? If you think about issues this way, I think it's fully unproductive. No one was bragging. The fact you see this as either unthinking bragging or unthinking criticism makes it very hard to talk about what matters: the facts of the matter.
    - acdha 1y ago
      They absolutely were bragging when they said this: > Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. The actual facts show otherwise, of course, so now he’s trying the squid ink approach of emitting a lot of verbiage trying to say that average and excellent mean the same thing, but that’s just a distraction from the fact that their first statement was based on brand loyalty, not data.
- csomar 1y ago
  > Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. > you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers.
  - NoPicklez 1y ago
    What I was referring to was in comparison to other EV's not all ICE's. That was my mistake
- potato3732842 1y ago
  >These studies don't really show a decent comparison between EV's, just car makers in general Which is an absolutely asinine axis of comparison seeing as we live in a reality where different brands take different product lines seriously.
timewizard 1y ago
I dislike Tesla as a brand; however, they're not particularly lacking considering their size and price point. JD Power's "ratings" are almost entirely based on surveys and are essentially worthless.
mistercheph 1y ago
Bruh, JD Power is a joke, they said the Chevy Equinox is the most reliable compact SUV of 2024, look at any of their rankings, it’s all basically random, meaningless noise. I assume they just create hundreds of oveRlapping categories to make sure everyone has something they will pay the license fee to talk about in a commercial
Gareth321 1y ago
It depends on the segment and time range and market. MotorEasy conducted a survey in 2024 in the U.K. with 29,967 respondents. (https://www.whatcar.com/news/most-reliable-cars/n27337 https://www.whatcar.com/news/most-reliable-cars/n27337) The Tesla Model Y was the 9th (equal) most reliable car. However Teslas tend to fare poorly in the Consumer Reports survey in the U.S. I suspect one of the reasons for the discrepancy between this market and the U.S. is that the U.K. received Tesla shipments a lot later for new models - years, in fact. This gave Tesla time to iron out first-model issues. Another is potentially the location of manufacture. Most Teslas sold in the U.K. come from China and Germany. Most Teslas sold in the U.S. come from Fremont, California. There were widespread reports of strange manufacturing practises at the Fremont plan during the covid outbreak, like spray-painting cars in makeshift tents. Interestingly, MotorEasy found that gas and hybrids were the most reliable. Diesel were the least reliable.
- MisterTea 1y ago
  I'd chalk up the low diesel reliability to all the emission systems. Before all the Mercedes D's would run forever, million miles. Even the heavy truck engines could reach a million miles. Now the emission systems including EGR, SCR, and DPF, add injectors, plumbing and electronics. The EGR and DPF systems clog up with soot or burn up from regen
hartator 1y ago
Isn’t Tesla Model S Plaid still ranked the fastest (maybe 1 or 2 $300k super cars are faster) while being the safest and have arguably the most advanced self drive available in the market?
dreamcompiler 1y ago
My Model Y is the most reliable car I've ever owned, except it eats tires quickly because it's so heavy. Just one anecdote of course. I'll never buy another one as long as Elon Musk is associated with the company, but I'd be crazy to sell it now because it's paid for and it's a great car.

jajko 1y ago

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bobsomers 1y ago

They're not actually that great of an EV anymore. The build quality is lackluster and the ride on the Model 3 in particular is quite harsh. Some of the comments I hear almost universally from prior Model 3 owners when they switch to an Ioniq 5 is how much nicer the ride quality is and how nice it is to have buttons on the dash again.

NoPicklez 1y ago
The new Model 3 released in Jan 2024 has resolved the ride harshness
- _s_a_m_ 1y ago
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- nindalf 1y ago
  Is this like how Full Self Driving is always 12 months away? All the shortcomings of the Tesla you know and hate were solved in the latest model!
  - NoPicklez 1y ago
    It’s nothing like that. There have been comments around the ride harshness of the model 3. In the latest model it has been specifically fixed. I think any self driving tech at the moment is just terrible and shouldn’t be used, for the record
    - hkpack 1y ago
      Should all the current owners are expected to be happy for the new version they did’t own?
      - Toutouxc 1y ago
        No, but prospective buyers don't need to worry about ride harshness anymore.

Dkumpikolo 1y ago

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mattmanser 1y ago

The cybertruck is an excellent car?

NoPicklez 1y ago
I wouldn’t know but I was speaking on behalf of the model 3/Y. It’s easy to pick the worst model of the lot and use it to disregard the entire brand, but I can’t expect any more critical thought from some online
- guappa 1y ago
  > I can’t expect any more critical thought from some online Thank you for contributing to lower the overall amount of critical thinking on the internet.
- deleted 1y ago
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sirdvd 1y ago

> Well because Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market. whilst surely top ranked, they apparently share the top with others makers (https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/?selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997,54278,54293&selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=54301,51097&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...) (Large Family Cars category, last two years, order by occupant protection).

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dashundchen 1y ago

Tesla came out last in a 2-3 and 4-5 reliability comparison by the German inspection service TÜV, for the past two years. https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom-in-german-tuv-reliability-test-again/ https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom...

mmmlinux 1y ago

Do they have CarPlay yet?

jmyeet 1y ago

But they aren't. What Tesla has going for them primarily is the Supercharger network. The Cybertruck is a complete disaster of a vehicle with so many issues (eg [1]) that the only reason people buy them is to make a political statement from a group that 3+ years ago wouldn't have been caught buying an EV. Teslas are drivable iPads. Many people (myself included) not only hate this (because it's hard to use without looking) but it's also lazy design. By this I mean, it allows manufacturers to say "we'll fix it with a software update" (and then probably never get around to it) whereas haptic controls require more thought and effort to be put into the UI/UX during manufacturing. For other Teslas, there have been a host of other issues, some small, some not. For example, the seats were unreliable if adjusted too often so Tesla made an OTA update to limit how much you can adjust the seats to avoid failure [2]. The only thing propping up Tesla sales now are trade restrictions on BYD. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7 https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk... [2]: https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-now-monitors-how-often-you-adjust-your-seat-position-and-will-disable-controls-for-chronic-abusers/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-now-monitors-how-ofte...

horns4lyfe 1y ago
So what it has going for it is the most importantly part of the EV ecosystem?