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Why is AI special in this regard? Why is my exchange with ChatGPT any more privileged than my DuckDuckGo search for _HIV test margin of error_?

jacob019 1y ago
You're right, it's not special. This is from DuckDuckGo's privacy policy: "We don’t track you. That’s our Privacy Policy in a nutshell. We don’t save or share your search or browsing history when you search on DuckDuckGo or use our apps and extensions." If the court compelled DuckDuckGo to log all searches, I would be equally concerned.
- robocat 1y ago
  DuckDuckGo uses Bing. It would be interesting to know how much Microsoft logs or tracks.
- sib 1y ago
  That's a pretty significant difference, though. OpenAI (and other services) log and preserve your interactions, in order to either improve their service or to provide features to you (e.g., your chat history, personalized answers, etc., from OpenAI). If a court says "preserve all your user interaction logs," they exist and need to be preserved. DDG explicitly does not track you or retain any data about your usage. If a court says "preserve all your users interaction logs," there is nothing to be preserved. It is a very different thing - and a much higher bar - for a court to say "write code to begin logging user interaction data and then preserve those logs."
  - ethagnawl 1y ago
    I should have said "web search", as that's really what I meant -- DDG was just a convenient counterexample.
  - webstrand 1y ago
    OpenAI also claims to delete logs after 30 days if you've deleted them. Anything that you've deleted but hasn't been processed by OpenAI yet will now be open to introspection by the court.
energy123 1y ago
People upload about 100x more information about themselves to ChatGPT than search engines.
raincole 1y ago
AI is not special and that's the exact issue. The court made a precedence here. If OpenAI can be ordered to preserve all the logs, then DuckDuckGo can face the same issue even if they don't want to do that.

jacob019 1y ago

You're right, it's not special. This is from DuckDuckGo's privacy policy: "We don’t track you. That’s our Privacy Policy in a nutshell. We don’t save or share your search or browsing history when you search on DuckDuckGo or use our apps and extensions." If the court compelled DuckDuckGo to log all searches, I would be equally concerned.

robocat 1y ago
DuckDuckGo uses Bing. It would be interesting to know how much Microsoft logs or tracks.
sib 1y ago
That's a pretty significant difference, though. OpenAI (and other services) log and preserve your interactions, in order to either improve their service or to provide features to you (e.g., your chat history, personalized answers, etc., from OpenAI). If a court says "preserve all your user interaction logs," they exist and need to be preserved. DDG explicitly does not track you or retain any data about your usage. If a court says "preserve all your users interaction logs," there is nothing to be preserved. It is a very different thing - and a much higher bar - for a court to say "write code to begin logging user interaction data and then preserve those logs."
- ethagnawl 1y ago
  I should have said "web search", as that's really what I meant -- DDG was just a convenient counterexample.
- webstrand 1y ago
  OpenAI also claims to delete logs after 30 days if you've deleted them. Anything that you've deleted but hasn't been processed by OpenAI yet will now be open to introspection by the court.

energy123 1y ago

People upload about 100x more information about themselves to ChatGPT than search engines.

raincole 1y ago

AI is not special and that's the exact issue. The court made a precedence here. If OpenAI can be ordered to preserve all the logs, then DuckDuckGo can face the same issue even if they don't want to do that.