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I’ve long thought that embodiment was a critical prerequisite for the development of something that humans would identify as “real” AGI. Humans are notoriously

by K0balt 1y ago

I’ve long thought that embodiment was a critical prerequisite for the development of something that humans would identify as “real” AGI. Humans are notoriously bad at recognizing intelligence even in animals that are clearly sentient, have language, name their young, and clearly share the realm of thinking creatures with the apes. This is largely due to the lack of shared experiences that we can easily understand and relate to. Until an intelligence is rooted in the physical realm where we fundamentally exist, we are unlikely to really be able to recognize its existence as truly “intelligent”.

pizza 1y ago
That's why I'm very excited for the potential metaphysical ramifications of DolphinGemma
- K0balt 1y ago
  I’m imagining a timeline where dolphins have accepted long ago that humans are intelligent because of our external manifestations of technology, and consequentially have developed much more sophisticated philosophy than humans based on having to understand paradigms well outside of their personal experiences. Soon, we will find out through dolphin-Gemma that they have been talking to aliens for centuries, since the aliens tried to talk to us but failed due to our, and their, philosophical myopia… but the dolphins, with their non-circular philosophical understanding recognized alien communications and started the conversation before we finished the pyramids.
groby_b 1y ago
The question you'll need to answer is "why". What does embodiment provide that is recognizable as intelligence. As for "not able to recognize", it's also worth keeping in mind that LLMs by now regularly pass the Turing test. More, they are more likely to be recognized as humans than humans participating as control.
- habinero 1y ago
  Yeah, but it turns out the Turing Test isn't all that hard to pass if you pick the right kind of people.
  - groby_b 1y ago
    Is there an argument outside of a quip you'd like to present? These tests have replicated pretty well. Are you really trying to make the point that there's a collective effort to defraud here?
- dmacfour 1y ago
  grounding

by K0balt 1y ago

pizza 1y ago

That's why I'm very excited for the potential metaphysical ramifications of DolphinGemma

K0balt 1y ago
I’m imagining a timeline where dolphins have accepted long ago that humans are intelligent because of our external manifestations of technology, and consequentially have developed much more sophisticated philosophy than humans based on having to understand paradigms well outside of their personal experiences. Soon, we will find out through dolphin-Gemma that they have been talking to aliens for centuries, since the aliens tried to talk to us but failed due to our, and their, philosophical myopia… but the dolphins, with their non-circular philosophical understanding recognized alien communications and started the conversation before we finished the pyramids.

groby_b 1y ago

The question you'll need to answer is "why". What does embodiment provide that is recognizable as intelligence. As for "not able to recognize", it's also worth keeping in mind that LLMs by now regularly pass the Turing test. More, they are more likely to be recognized as humans than humans participating as control.

habinero 1y ago
Yeah, but it turns out the Turing Test isn't all that hard to pass if you pick the right kind of people.
- groby_b 1y ago
  Is there an argument outside of a quip you'd like to present? These tests have replicated pretty well. Are you really trying to make the point that there's a collective effort to defraud here?
dmacfour 1y ago
grounding