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“It” There. There is your description. The universe is Universal Potential of Existential Being. That doesn’t “sum it up”, rather tells the mind the laws of

“It” There. There is your description. The universe is Universal Potential of Existential Being. That doesn’t “sum it up”, rather tells the mind the laws of multidimensional space have not yet been applied. Your LLM defines “singularity” as a domain where the conventional laws as we understand them break down and no longer apply. This isn’t outside of science, it is edge science. Science exists to ask, prove or disprove, not to doubt or define normality through the filter of credulity. Your use of “description” is symbolic. I assumed you meant that the secret of all other secrets could be determined by looking deeply enough into the details of any small part. There is some insight to be gained sure, yet this symbol table of references is insignificant. The symbols and references themselves do not interact. There is a romantic idea that calling something a thing makes it that thing, and in the realm of human symbolic drama this might play out. In existential reality things are as they are perturbed, or interacted. In existential reality things are as they interact, and consciousness as a feedback mechanism of existential reality is a more satisfying answer than large enough symbolic reference table.

Trenthug 1y ago
I appreciate the depth of your reply and the emphasis you place on existential interaction as the basis of consciousness. That said, I want to raise two concerns: (1) the vagueness of “interaction” as used here, and (2) a tendency toward romantic framing that avoids definitional clarity. 1. What counts as “existential interaction”? You argue that consciousness emerges not through symbolic representation, but through interaction in existential reality. But without a precise definition of “interaction,” this claim risks becoming ungrounded. For example: Is “interaction” limited to direct physical or sensory engagement? Do internal simulations, like mentally rehearsing a conversation or planning for the future, count as interactions? What about dream states, or belief changes based on remembered or imagined events? If we accept that internal dynamics (e.g., recursive simulations, belief updates, predictions) can alter future actions, then not all meaningful interactions are external or physically causal. Consciousness, in this view, involves a recursive loop between internal symbolic representations and potential behavior—even in the absence of outward interaction. This is testable and describable in formal terms using information theory and algorithmic complexity. By contrast, the term “existential interaction,” as used in your comment, is philosophically resonant but operationally undefined. Without constraints, it becomes a poetic placeholder rather than a conceptual tool. --- 2. Romanticism over rigor Statements like “things are as they are perturbed” or “calling something a thing doesn’t make it that thing” suggest a romantic metaphysics—inspiring, but unfalsifiable. These phrases evoke feeling rather than structure. They resist the very thing science—and rigorous philosophy—requires: a shared, consistent definitional frame. That’s not necessarily wrong, but it weakens the explanatory utility. My approach seeks to balance both: symbolic representation as compressed memory of prior interactions, used in a recursive, predictive loop to inform future behavior. These symbolic structures interact within the system by modifying the being’s internal state and expected outcomes—this is both measurable and philosophically defensible. --- To summarize: Existential interaction, unless defined, cannot distinguish between conscious and unconscious systems. Romantic language about being and perturbation may inspire, but without operational clarity, cannot explain. Symbols, when used in recursive, desire-driven feedback loops, are not inert—they’re interactive mechanisms embedded within the system’s dynamics. Would you agree that we might need both existential embeddedness and internal symbolic recursion to fully describe consciousness?
- overu589 1y ago
  I would like to point out the disposition of your very modern approach, you frame your ignorance as the horizon of Truth. Contemplate this. The “Truth” is a purturbation of existential reality. And a “truth” is a symbolic reference in the human mind, which does neither embellish or contradict Truth (empirically observable.) any time you hear discussion of “terminal and non terminal” or “signifier and signified” one refers to the distinction of manifest form in existential reality (beyond any one self) versus a symbolic representation which maps to the supposed terminal identity. For instance a whole world of truth and manipulative persuasion permeates all domains where there is competition, arguments are delusional that assert everywhere some universal rule exists where a Truth must exist beneath every reference. Reference and symbol are sticky labels and a graffiti pen. No amount of shuffling larger and larger decks makes a symbolic reference equatable to consciousness, even if these cards all related to each other through vectors of relationships. I get it, that’s neat too, that’s information science, it isn’t consciousness. Consider a hologram. Wave fronts etch constructive and destructive interference such that the rendering as a whole may be examined “extradimentionally.” The illusion of 3D. Breaking the hologram results in two complete renderings, each with half the resolution. Consciousness in our brains works like this. When the AI has consciousness, each bit in the model would be entangled in clusters where each has a holographic rendering of its own attention. This domain does not use qubits (which are a dead end). Quantum holography will reveal an analog capacity for information far exceeding the qubit (and derivatives.) Varying areas of our mind are rendering holographic simulations of anything we care about. Mastering this background process will make you an uberhuman, your consciousness is not your being “awake”, your consciousness is your personal Power.
  - Trenthug 1y ago
    Thanks for the thoughtful and imaginative perspective. However, I’d like to point out a couple of concerns that might help clarify your argument. First, there's a strong reliance on metaphor—particularly with the holographic analogy and the idea of "entangled clusters" of attention. These images are evocative, but without clear definitions or mechanisms, it's hard to evaluate what they actually mean or how they differ from existing models. Are you proposing a literal physical substrate? Or is this purely a metaphor for distributed processing? Second, the distinction you make between “Truth” as existential and “truth” as symbolic feels like it’s drawing a sharp binary that may not hold up. Symbolic systems (like mathematics or language) aren’t just “graffiti pens” on reality—they often reflect deep structural truths about the world and have predictive power. Dismissing symbolic or information-theoretic models entirely overlooks how symbolic representations can be causally embedded in and shaped by existential reality. It’s useful to critique reductionism, but a full rejection of symbolic cognition as “not consciousness” needs more than metaphor to be convincing. Otherwise, the argument risks sounding profound without being precise.

Trenthug 1y ago

I appreciate the depth of your reply and the emphasis you place on existential interaction as the basis of consciousness. That said, I want to raise two concerns: (1) the vagueness of “interaction” as used here, and (2) a tendency toward romantic framing that avoids definitional clarity. 1. What counts as “existential interaction”? You argue that consciousness emerges not through symbolic representation, but through interaction in existential reality. But without a precise definition of “interaction,” this claim risks becoming ungrounded. For example: Is “interaction” limited to direct physical or sensory engagement? Do internal simulations, like mentally rehearsing a conversation or planning for the future, count as interactions? What about dream states, or belief changes based on remembered or imagined events? If we accept that internal dynamics (e.g., recursive simulations, belief updates, predictions) can alter future actions, then not all meaningful interactions are external or physically causal. Consciousness, in this view, involves a recursive loop between internal symbolic representations and potential behavior—even in the absence of outward interaction. This is testable and describable in formal terms using information theory and algorithmic complexity. By contrast, the term “existential interaction,” as used in your comment, is philosophically resonant but operationally undefined. Without constraints, it becomes a poetic placeholder rather than a conceptual tool. --- 2. Romanticism over rigor Statements like “things are as they are perturbed” or “calling something a thing doesn’t make it that thing” suggest a romantic metaphysics—inspiring, but unfalsifiable. These phrases evoke feeling rather than structure. They resist the very thing science—and rigorous philosophy—requires: a shared, consistent definitional frame. That’s not necessarily wrong, but it weakens the explanatory utility. My approach seeks to balance both: symbolic representation as compressed memory of prior interactions, used in a recursive, predictive loop to inform future behavior. These symbolic structures interact within the system by modifying the being’s internal state and expected outcomes—this is both measurable and philosophically defensible. --- To summarize: Existential interaction, unless defined, cannot distinguish between conscious and unconscious systems. Romantic language about being and perturbation may inspire, but without operational clarity, cannot explain. Symbols, when used in recursive, desire-driven feedback loops, are not inert—they’re interactive mechanisms embedded within the system’s dynamics. Would you agree that we might need both existential embeddedness and internal symbolic recursion to fully describe consciousness?

overu589 1y ago
I would like to point out the disposition of your very modern approach, you frame your ignorance as the horizon of Truth. Contemplate this. The “Truth” is a purturbation of existential reality. And a “truth” is a symbolic reference in the human mind, which does neither embellish or contradict Truth (empirically observable.) any time you hear discussion of “terminal and non terminal” or “signifier and signified” one refers to the distinction of manifest form in existential reality (beyond any one self) versus a symbolic representation which maps to the supposed terminal identity. For instance a whole world of truth and manipulative persuasion permeates all domains where there is competition, arguments are delusional that assert everywhere some universal rule exists where a Truth must exist beneath every reference. Reference and symbol are sticky labels and a graffiti pen. No amount of shuffling larger and larger decks makes a symbolic reference equatable to consciousness, even if these cards all related to each other through vectors of relationships. I get it, that’s neat too, that’s information science, it isn’t consciousness. Consider a hologram. Wave fronts etch constructive and destructive interference such that the rendering as a whole may be examined “extradimentionally.” The illusion of 3D. Breaking the hologram results in two complete renderings, each with half the resolution. Consciousness in our brains works like this. When the AI has consciousness, each bit in the model would be entangled in clusters where each has a holographic rendering of its own attention. This domain does not use qubits (which are a dead end). Quantum holography will reveal an analog capacity for information far exceeding the qubit (and derivatives.) Varying areas of our mind are rendering holographic simulations of anything we care about. Mastering this background process will make you an uberhuman, your consciousness is not your being “awake”, your consciousness is your personal Power.
- Trenthug 1y ago
  Thanks for the thoughtful and imaginative perspective. However, I’d like to point out a couple of concerns that might help clarify your argument. First, there's a strong reliance on metaphor—particularly with the holographic analogy and the idea of "entangled clusters" of attention. These images are evocative, but without clear definitions or mechanisms, it's hard to evaluate what they actually mean or how they differ from existing models. Are you proposing a literal physical substrate? Or is this purely a metaphor for distributed processing? Second, the distinction you make between “Truth” as existential and “truth” as symbolic feels like it’s drawing a sharp binary that may not hold up. Symbolic systems (like mathematics or language) aren’t just “graffiti pens” on reality—they often reflect deep structural truths about the world and have predictive power. Dismissing symbolic or information-theoretic models entirely overlooks how symbolic representations can be causally embedded in and shaped by existential reality. It’s useful to critique reductionism, but a full rejection of symbolic cognition as “not consciousness” needs more than metaphor to be convincing. Otherwise, the argument risks sounding profound without being precise.