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Unless there's a very good reason, if National Highway Transportation Safety Administration has it then the taxpayers who paid for it should have access too.
by duxup 1y ago
Unless there's a very good reason, if National Highway Transportation Safety Administration has it then the taxpayers who paid for it should have access too.
- e44858 1y agoProvided they release crash data for all manufacturers and don't single out just one manufacturer.
- FireBeyond 1y agoUhh, WaPo was requesting crash data from NHTSA on driver assistance systems. Tesla is the only manufacturer trying to prevent that disclosure.
- kjs3 1y ago[flagged]
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- bdcravens 1y agoThe "We'll wait" isn't really seen as effective discourse here like it on on Reddit/Twitter. Just state your argument and let it stand on its own without the perceived "mic drop".
- duxup 1y agoI agree, although that's more about the request(er) than anything else.
- ra7 1y agoCrash data for all other ADAS systems is already public [1]. The only manufacturer with heavily redacted information in that data to the point of being useless is Tesla. [1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-order-crash-reporting#data https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-orde...
- andsoitis 1y ago> The only manufacturer with heavily redacted information in that data to the point of being useless is Tesla. The nice thing is we can look for ourselves to what extent that is true by downloading the CSV: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/ffdd/sgo-2021-01/SGO-2021-01_Incident_Reports_ADAS.csv https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/ffdd/sgo-2021-01/SGO-2021-01_In... For example, in the case of BMW, in every single case the field for ADS/ADAS Version is either blank or redacted.
- armsaw 1y agoWhen I look at this data, I see the type of self driving in use, as well as the written narrative of every crash, along with several other fields as REDACTED FOR BUSINESS REASONS, only for Tesla vehicles, where every other manufacturer seems to have these fields populated. To me, that information would be crucial to understanding what actually happened in each case, as opposed to only being able to understand some of the ambient conditions around each accident.
- andsoitis 1y ago> REDACTED FOR BUSINESS REASONS, only for Tesla vehicles, where every other manufacturer seems to have these fields populated. Not true. There are many rows for other manufacturers where fields are redacted or blank. For example: - Row 7. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: blank - Row 8. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted - Row 9. Subaru. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted etc.
- armsaw 1y agoGranted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception.
- andsoitis 1y ago> Granted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception. Again, not true. I just filtered for BMW, and in every single instance, without fail, the ADS/ADAS Version cell is either redacted or blank. I didn't check other manufacturers.
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- timewizard 1y agoThe owner or their next of kin ostensibly should have it as well. It's disappointing that only the manufacturer and the NHTSA have easy access.