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Regarding the number of options, C++ has quite a few IDEs: Visual Studio, Xcode, VSCode, CLion, and probably more (Oracle probably still sells the one they had

Regarding the number of options, C++ has quite a few IDEs: Visual Studio, Xcode, VSCode, CLion, and probably more (Oracle probably still sells the one they had for Solaris). For command-line compilers, C++ has: Visual Studio, Xcode, g++, clang++, IBM C++ compilers for their OSs, Oracle compilers for Solaris, etc. For Ada, is there anything other than AdaCore? Is that the same as GNATStudio? Edit* - fixed Ada capitalization

cjbgkagh 1y ago
I think IBM Rational Ada was a thing back then. Never used it but heard stories about it.
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  I should add, what I was told is that they were amazing, especially the pre-IBM Rational stuff. Rational was acquired by IBM in 2003. I was working on tech adjacent to the JSF (F35). I was told by a guy working on the JSF that the extra bugs from C++ would mean better job security and he was 100% right. It’s pretty much that conversation that triggered my move into high tech and away from military. I think it’s a shame that IBM happened to Rational, a lot of nascent good ideas pretty much disappeared or were mangled beyond recognition.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    >It’s pretty much that conversation that triggered my move into high tech and away from military. Could you elaborate on this please? What is "high tech" here?
    - cjbgkagh 1y ago
      High tech is cutting edge tech, I.e. applied research at big tech.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        Do you have any specific example of such jobs?
        cjbgkagh 1y ago
        Data science / machine learning
p_l 1y ago
The kind of tooling you need for avionics is not necessarily the kind of tooling you use for non-safety critical code. None of the tools mentioned, other than in limited level IDEs (for practical purposes in safety critical C++ expect some niche variation of Eclipse just like if you used Ada) are valid for the F-35 project.
RavSS 1y ago
You don't have to use AdaCore's GNAT Studio. You can quickly get going with Ada/SPARK using Visual Studio Code, as there is an LSP extension for it published by AdaCore themselves.
ryao 1y ago
Netbeans is the Solaris IDE. It is free.
shakna 1y ago
There's GNAT, augusta, byron, hac, janus, apex, Greenhills, xgc compilers. Each of those has an optional IDE. All of the IDEs you mentioned also support Ada.

cjbgkagh 1y ago

I think IBM Rational Ada was a thing back then. Never used it but heard stories about it.

cjbgkagh 1y ago
I should add, what I was told is that they were amazing, especially the pre-IBM Rational stuff. Rational was acquired by IBM in 2003. I was working on tech adjacent to the JSF (F35). I was told by a guy working on the JSF that the extra bugs from C++ would mean better job security and he was 100% right. It’s pretty much that conversation that triggered my move into high tech and away from military. I think it’s a shame that IBM happened to Rational, a lot of nascent good ideas pretty much disappeared or were mangled beyond recognition.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >It’s pretty much that conversation that triggered my move into high tech and away from military. Could you elaborate on this please? What is "high tech" here?
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    High tech is cutting edge tech, I.e. applied research at big tech.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Do you have any specific example of such jobs?
      - cjbgkagh 1y ago
        Data science / machine learning

p_l 1y ago

The kind of tooling you need for avionics is not necessarily the kind of tooling you use for non-safety critical code. None of the tools mentioned, other than in limited level IDEs (for practical purposes in safety critical C++ expect some niche variation of Eclipse just like if you used Ada) are valid for the F-35 project.

RavSS 1y ago

You don't have to use AdaCore's GNAT Studio. You can quickly get going with Ada/SPARK using Visual Studio Code, as there is an LSP extension for it published by AdaCore themselves.

ryao 1y ago

Netbeans is the Solaris IDE. It is free.

shakna 1y ago

There's GNAT, augusta, byron, hac, janus, apex, Greenhills, xgc compilers. Each of those has an optional IDE. All of the IDEs you mentioned also support Ada.