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I would not assume that it applies only to users located in the U.S., if that's what you mean, since this is designed to preserve evidence of alleged copyright
by pdabbadabba 1y ago
I would not assume that it applies only to users located in the U.S., if that's what you mean, since this is designed to preserve evidence of alleged copyright infringement.
- layer8 1y agoI don’t think a US court order can overrule the GDPR for EU customers, for example.
- paulddraper 1y agoNothing says that laws of different countries can't conflict. Hopefully they don't though.
- swat535 1y agoIsn't this why companies incorporate in various nations so that they can comply with local regulations ? I'm assuming that EU will demand OpenAI to treat EU users differently..
- csomar 1y agoIf they did incorporate in the EU and run their servers in the EU, the EU entity will be a separate entity and (not a lawyer), I think as a result, not the entity concerned by this lawsuit.
- fc417fc802 1y agoAssuming the EU entity were a subsidiary "but I keep that data overseas" seems unlikely to get you off the hook. However I don't think you can be ordered to violate local law. That would be a weird (and I imagine expensive) situation to sort out.
- patmcc 1y agoThe US is perfectly able to give orders to US companies that may be against EU law. The GDPR may hold the company liable for that.
- layer8 1y agoOpenAI Ireland Ltd, the entity that provides ChatGPT services to EU residents, is not a US company.
- hedora 1y agoThe US Cloud Act makes it illegal for US companies to operate non-e2e encrypted services that are GDPR compliant. They have to warrantlessly hand the govt all data they have the technical capability to access.
- layer8 1y agoOpenAI Ireland Ltd, the entity that provides ChatGPT services to EU residents, is not a US company.
- fc417fc802 1y agoWhat makes you think that EU law holds sway over US companies? Conversely, would you expect EU companies to abide by US law? Can an EU court not make arbitrary demands of a company that operates in the EU so long as those demands comply with relevant EU law?
- layer8 1y agoOpenAI Ireland Ltd, which as an EU resident is the entity that provides the ChatGPT services to me (according to ChatGPT’s own ToS), is within the jurisdiction of the EU, not the US.
- fc417fc802 1y agoRepeatedly making the same comment all over the local tree is childish and effectively spamming. To your observation, it's certainly relevant to the situation at hand but has little to do with your original supposition. A US court can order any company that operates in the US to do anything within the bounds of US law, in the same way that an EU court can do the converse. Such an order might well make it impossible to legally do business in one or the other jurisdiction. If OpenAI Ireland is a subsidiary it will be interesting to see to what extent the court order applies (or doesn't apply) to it. I wonder if it actually operates servers locally or if it's just a frontend that sends all your queries over to a US based backend. People elsewhere in this comment section observed that the GDPR has a blanket carve out for things that are legally required. Seeing as compliance with a court order is legally required there is likely no issue regardless.