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This take makes zero sense. Central touchscreen, minimalist design, and and no dashboard display has been the design since the Model 3 first came out. None of t

This take makes zero sense. Central touchscreen, minimalist design, and and no dashboard display has been the design since the Model 3 first came out. None of that changed. It didn't stop the Model Y from becoming the best selling vehicle of any kind worldwide. The stalk thing is new but the new Model Y has the turn signal stalk added back (actually it was never removed from the Y), so they are backing down on that.

jq-r 1y ago
I test drove 3 and Y recently and was very impressed. They are very comfortable to ride, be in, silent, roomy and simple to operate which I cannot say the same for German cars in the same range. Those seem to be stuck in "we've built these cars for decades, let's just put an electric motor, add eye candy, high price and call it electric cars". Teslas are considerably cheaper to buy than german cars with the same amount of kit in my country. You always have a feeling they are nickel and diming you for every single thing.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  I don't think the German cars are the concern in this case. The Chinese and the Koreans are.
  - jq-r 1y ago
    They've taxed Chinese cars to hell in EU (unfortunately), so I'm sure people are reluctant to buy a car (as a big expense) of a Chinese company with no well known track record compared to established players.
m463 1y ago
makes perfect sense to me. previous generation Model S with a dashboard and stalks is much nicer to control than the new s/x/3/y/truck. You can flash your headlights, you can control details of autopilot, you can shift quickly into forward/reverse when doing a tricky parking maneuver, you can separate controls on center screen from info on the dashboard. direct wiper controls. There is a place to rest your finger while hunting for a control on the central screen. navigation highlights upcoming turns ahead of you on the screen. then 3 takes away dashboard. The smaller central display has extremely cluttered information along the left edge. The controls require attention, and hard right from the direction you should be looking to drive. And each generation this seems to go a little further. Removing the stalks is too far imho. the cybertruck main screen where you adjust everything is just a wall of on-screen touch areas. I personally think all of this is the classic presales vs postsales dilemma. Something that looks clean and modern in the store only ends up showing its shortcomings when in daily use. Just my opinion. Personally I think tesla should add a $2k option for stalks, a dashboard and a couple dedicated buttons. I'll bet it would help with sales.
- modeless 1y ago
  The 3 and Y were not just Tesla's most successful products, the Y was literally the most successful product in the entire vehicle industry. They never had a dashboard display and they always had a touchscreen as the primary interface. Bonkers to suggest that as a reason for a decline this year. The stalks, sure, but Y never had the blinker stalk removed so it's still not a reason.
  - m463 1y ago
    they did redesign the Y and it doesn't look as elegant with the strange head/tail lights (IMHO).

jq-r 1y ago

I test drove 3 and Y recently and was very impressed. They are very comfortable to ride, be in, silent, roomy and simple to operate which I cannot say the same for German cars in the same range. Those seem to be stuck in "we've built these cars for decades, let's just put an electric motor, add eye candy, high price and call it electric cars". Teslas are considerably cheaper to buy than german cars with the same amount of kit in my country. You always have a feeling they are nickel and diming you for every single thing.

mrtksn 1y ago
I don't think the German cars are the concern in this case. The Chinese and the Koreans are.
- jq-r 1y ago
  They've taxed Chinese cars to hell in EU (unfortunately), so I'm sure people are reluctant to buy a car (as a big expense) of a Chinese company with no well known track record compared to established players.

m463 1y ago

makes perfect sense to me. previous generation Model S with a dashboard and stalks is much nicer to control than the new s/x/3/y/truck. You can flash your headlights, you can control details of autopilot, you can shift quickly into forward/reverse when doing a tricky parking maneuver, you can separate controls on center screen from info on the dashboard. direct wiper controls. There is a place to rest your finger while hunting for a control on the central screen. navigation highlights upcoming turns ahead of you on the screen. then 3 takes away dashboard. The smaller central display has extremely cluttered information along the left edge. The controls require attention, and hard right from the direction you should be looking to drive. And each generation this seems to go a little further. Removing the stalks is too far imho. the cybertruck main screen where you adjust everything is just a wall of on-screen touch areas. I personally think all of this is the classic presales vs postsales dilemma. Something that looks clean and modern in the store only ends up showing its shortcomings when in daily use. Just my opinion. Personally I think tesla should add a $2k option for stalks, a dashboard and a couple dedicated buttons. I'll bet it would help with sales.

modeless 1y ago
The 3 and Y were not just Tesla's most successful products, the Y was literally the most successful product in the entire vehicle industry. They never had a dashboard display and they always had a touchscreen as the primary interface. Bonkers to suggest that as a reason for a decline this year. The stalks, sure, but Y never had the blinker stalk removed so it's still not a reason.
- m463 1y ago
  they did redesign the Y and it doesn't look as elegant with the strange head/tail lights (IMHO).