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Check out the young turks. They will tell you that the Dems undermined themselves by trying to gaslight people into voting for Kamala and to believe that Joe w

by mc32 1y ago

Check out the young turks. They will tell you that the Dems undermined themselves by trying to gaslight people into voting for Kamala and to believe that Joe was dynamic and had more stamina than his staffers. Now you have the mainstream try to say that the party pulled the wool over their eyes and fooled them. A few will say that everyone knew he was senile —but somehow still thought it was cool to trot him out till the first debate when for most people, except msnbc and kin, saw the man behind the curtain. MSNBC tried to portray the first debate as a draw. Everyone else saw how pathetic the performance was. Then the machinations began and Joe endorsed Kamala despite Obama and the rest of the mainstream dems wanting an open primary. It was doomed with word salad Kamala who could not relate with regular folks. She was stilted and unauthentic.

krapp 1y ago
How did they "gaslight" people into voting for Kamala? They had an incumbent President who had already beaten Trump. He did badly during the debate, they panicked so they ran their VP. That isn't a conspiracy, it's just political game theory. The Democrats would have been foolish not to field Biden, and the next best option after Biden was Kamala Harris. Their biggest mistake if anything wasn't setting up Harris earlier. Show me where the Trump Administration has ever said Trump is anything but masculine and virile, a brilliant and cunning orator, master statesman and strategist? This is just how political parties work. And I mean... "word salad?" Can't relate to regular folks? Compared to the incompetent, barely coherent billionaire? Come on.
- mingus88 1y ago
  The democrats were foolish to run Biden, 100% Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option.
  - krapp 1y ago
    >Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. If your party has an encumbent President, you run the President. No other candidate would have the same amount of power, public awareness or power of the bully pulpit, especially not against Donald Trump. Barring that, you have the VP. Doing anything other than what they did would have been political suicide. Donald Trump barely even ran and he was still a factor. >Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. I agree. >The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats seem to have this pernicious belief that they need to bring Republicans into the tent... I don't understand it. They absolutely could not read the room. Biden was a stopgap, and his stances on unions and Gaza were alienating the left, so the best thing Harris could have done was pivot further to the left and be the candidate the left wished Biden was. >The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option. She was still more popular and a stronger candidate than any other Democrat would have been, except for Biden. It would have been a race between Donald Trump - ex President billionaire whose every word and deed gets constant media coverage - and someone no one ever heard of. A primary would only be a sign of weakness and threaten to fracture the party. Trump didn't exactly win in a blowout, the margin between he and Harris was slim enough that a Harris victory could have been possible. Maybe they were foolish to run Biden at all. But the die was kind of cast at that point.
    - mingus88 1y ago
      > If your party has an encumbent President, you run the President. No other candidate would have the same amount of power Of course both of us are speculating, but my view is that this is conventional wisdom in unconventional times The democrats keep playing with a rule book that the other side threw away a decade ago. This is why they lose. Republican voters are fed a steady diet of misinformation on everything the Democrats do. The hatred of Biden on the right boggles my mind, since he was such middle of the road guy, just keeping things status quo. Hillary also had decades of baggage from talk radio hosts and Fox News against her. But of course Harris was weaker. It’s telling to me that despite her weakness, nominating her caused a panic on the right because it instantly nullified all of their canned attacks against Biden. Imagine what would have happened if they’d fostered a new, young and unencumbered by Fox News propaganda presidential candidate.

by mc32 1y ago

krapp 1y ago

How did they "gaslight" people into voting for Kamala? They had an incumbent President who had already beaten Trump. He did badly during the debate, they panicked so they ran their VP. That isn't a conspiracy, it's just political game theory. The Democrats would have been foolish not to field Biden, and the next best option after Biden was Kamala Harris. Their biggest mistake if anything wasn't setting up Harris earlier. Show me where the Trump Administration has ever said Trump is anything but masculine and virile, a brilliant and cunning orator, master statesman and strategist? This is just how political parties work. And I mean... "word salad?" Can't relate to regular folks? Compared to the incompetent, barely coherent billionaire? Come on.

mingus88 1y ago
The democrats were foolish to run Biden, 100% Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option.
- krapp 1y ago
  >Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. If your party has an encumbent President, you run the President. No other candidate would have the same amount of power, public awareness or power of the bully pulpit, especially not against Donald Trump. Barring that, you have the VP. Doing anything other than what they did would have been political suicide. Donald Trump barely even ran and he was still a factor. >Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. I agree. >The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats seem to have this pernicious belief that they need to bring Republicans into the tent... I don't understand it. They absolutely could not read the room. Biden was a stopgap, and his stances on unions and Gaza were alienating the left, so the best thing Harris could have done was pivot further to the left and be the candidate the left wished Biden was. >The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option. She was still more popular and a stronger candidate than any other Democrat would have been, except for Biden. It would have been a race between Donald Trump - ex President billionaire whose every word and deed gets constant media coverage - and someone no one ever heard of. A primary would only be a sign of weakness and threaten to fracture the party. Trump didn't exactly win in a blowout, the margin between he and Harris was slim enough that a Harris victory could have been possible. Maybe they were foolish to run Biden at all. But the die was kind of cast at that point.
  - mingus88 1y ago
    > If your party has an encumbent President, you run the President. No other candidate would have the same amount of power Of course both of us are speculating, but my view is that this is conventional wisdom in unconventional times The democrats keep playing with a rule book that the other side threw away a decade ago. This is why they lose. Republican voters are fed a steady diet of misinformation on everything the Democrats do. The hatred of Biden on the right boggles my mind, since he was such middle of the road guy, just keeping things status quo. Hillary also had decades of baggage from talk radio hosts and Fox News against her. But of course Harris was weaker. It’s telling to me that despite her weakness, nominating her caused a panic on the right because it instantly nullified all of their canned attacks against Biden. Imagine what would have happened if they’d fostered a new, young and unencumbered by Fox News propaganda presidential candidate.