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I don't think this even is their final form...

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
I think it is. This stood out to me: > As his ideas have been surrealized in DOGE and Trump has taken to self-identifying as a king, one might expect to find Yarvin in an exultant mood. In fact, he has spent the past few months fretting that the moment will go to waste. “If you have a Trump boner right now, enjoy it,” he wrote two days after the election. “It’s as hard as you’ll ever get.” What many see as the most dangerous assault on American democracy in the nation’s history Yarvin dismisses as woefully insufficient—a “vibes coup.” Without a full-blown autocratic takeover, he believes, a backlash is sure to follow. And I don't think he's wrong; the longer it takes for the reality of a takeover to manifest, the less likely it is to happen.
- krapp 1y ago
  I think it will happen, but not under Trump. We've normalized certain aspects of authoritarianism now: the unitary executive, the enforcement of political ideology and removal of political dissidents, and once the US gets rid of birthright citizenship Constitutional rights become entirely arbitrary, and anyone can be sent to the camps. We've normalized political violence after Jan. 20th. Palantir will have an extensive database created from all of DOGE's data. A third of the country wants it, and they live where the votes matter most. All of the pieces will be in place. It just requires a competent leader and a movement based on ideology, not grift. Once Trump is out of the way the true believers will take over. Thanks to the weakening of the Federal government it will happen at the grassroots level with state governments in partnership with tech companies consolidating a power base, then "retaking" Washington. If there happens to be a Democratic administration to pin some anti-leftist moral panic or two on, so much the better.
- nehal3m 1y ago
  I agree with you, yeah. Burned and buried would be his final form then, is what I was getting at. Sorry for not communicating that clearly.
- thrance 1y ago
  Indeed, we'll have one last neoliberal half-competent democratic leadership that will undo ~10% of the damage Trump did, and then we'll have the true final boss. The current fascist was ok, but the next fascist will be the reaaal deal. Much suffering is to be found in the future. I find solace in the fact that all fascist states eventually crumble under the weight of their irrationality and incompetence.
- throwaway5752 1y ago
  No, his premises were just wrong. He's just blaming others rather than question the foundations of his belief system when they failed to be predictive. He's as simple to analyze as the people he looks down on. Nothing is worse for a dilettantish ideologue than to have their ideas put into practice and have to face reality with scrutiny.

I think it is. This stood out to me: > As his ideas have been surrealized in DOGE and Trump has taken to self-identifying as a king, one might expect to find Yarvin in an exultant mood. In fact, he has spent the past few months fretting that the moment will go to waste. “If you have a Trump boner right now, enjoy it,” he wrote two days after the election. “It’s as hard as you’ll ever get.” What many see as the most dangerous assault on American democracy in the nation’s history Yarvin dismisses as woefully insufficient—a “vibes coup.” Without a full-blown autocratic takeover, he believes, a backlash is sure to follow. And I don't think he's wrong; the longer it takes for the reality of a takeover to manifest, the less likely it is to happen.

krapp 1y ago
I think it will happen, but not under Trump. We've normalized certain aspects of authoritarianism now: the unitary executive, the enforcement of political ideology and removal of political dissidents, and once the US gets rid of birthright citizenship Constitutional rights become entirely arbitrary, and anyone can be sent to the camps. We've normalized political violence after Jan. 20th. Palantir will have an extensive database created from all of DOGE's data. A third of the country wants it, and they live where the votes matter most. All of the pieces will be in place. It just requires a competent leader and a movement based on ideology, not grift. Once Trump is out of the way the true believers will take over. Thanks to the weakening of the Federal government it will happen at the grassroots level with state governments in partnership with tech companies consolidating a power base, then "retaking" Washington. If there happens to be a Democratic administration to pin some anti-leftist moral panic or two on, so much the better.
nehal3m 1y ago
I agree with you, yeah. Burned and buried would be his final form then, is what I was getting at. Sorry for not communicating that clearly.
thrance 1y ago
Indeed, we'll have one last neoliberal half-competent democratic leadership that will undo ~10% of the damage Trump did, and then we'll have the true final boss. The current fascist was ok, but the next fascist will be the reaaal deal. Much suffering is to be found in the future. I find solace in the fact that all fascist states eventually crumble under the weight of their irrationality and incompetence.
throwaway5752 1y ago
No, his premises were just wrong. He's just blaming others rather than question the foundations of his belief system when they failed to be predictive. He's as simple to analyze as the people he looks down on. Nothing is worse for a dilettantish ideologue than to have their ideas put into practice and have to face reality with scrutiny.