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Yeah, I’m over here wondering “what regulation?” The US basically has none outside of banking and healthcare.

by dangus 1y ago

PicassoCTs 1y ago
They want the rule of law to end, the end of responsibility - and they dont want to understand, that the result is a decaying oligarchy similar to russia. Its the ideological equivalent to having your cake and eating it.
- CPLX 1y ago
  They understand just fine. They’re the oligarchs.
  - Aloisius 1y ago
    If they were actually oligarchs, they'd have already done what they want. Conflating some wealthy people who have, at best, mild influence over the government, with actual oligarchs in an oligarchy is... rhetorical nonsense. I get how it happened. We started referring to wealthy Russians in the 90s who actually wielded substantial control over government similar to oligarchs and we continued to refer to them as such even after they lost any semblance of political power, but still.
    - KPGv2 1y ago
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      - lurk2 1y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - Aloisius 1y ago
        You mean the guy the administration smeared as an ineffective, incontinent drug addict and who had to duck out because of the harm to his companies? The guy who promised trillions in cuts an managed to deliver almost none? The guy who is now railing against the budget bill and being ignored by those actually in power? His power is nothing compared to actual oligarchs in real oligarchies in history. The Thirty Tyrants could pass laws, sit in judgement and execute anyone they wanted for any reason (and did). They controlled every aspect of Athens. Musk got some people to retire early, got some people fired (often temporarily), was overruled by the judiciary and the administration regularly and was generally ineffectual. Calling him an oligarch is extreme hyperbole.
        MentatOnMelange 1y ago
        He was given unprecedented power over federal agencies by the president after giving the largest political donation in US history. He had more power than many people will real roles and functions. The fact he appears not to have accomplished much with it says more about his competence as a leader than the nature of oligarchy.
sershe 1y ago
Citation needed The number of pages in the federal regulations only grows over time (admin to admin). Construction of any kind, including housing, education and childcare come to mind as things you missed. I.e. - everything that people complain is really expensive. Most industries in the US are heavy regulated. The ones that are not so heavily regulated - like software, and/or evade a lot of regulation abroad - like many consumer goods from shirts to cars - are the ones not getting more expensive.
Aurornis 1y ago
> The US basically has none outside of banking and healthcare This isn't even remotely true. Heavy regulation is actually one of the reasons why it's so hard to do things like build new housing or get high-speed rail, for two popular examples. Anyone who has worked in regulatory compliance at software or hardware companies will also roll their eyes at the claim that the United States has basically no regulation.
singleshot_ 1y ago
Do you think can change the brakes on your own airplane? How many disposable nicotine vapes are legal for sale in the US? How far do you have to be from a road to camp in a national forest? What is the Jones Act? Can you shoot down a drone? Do you have to obey a flight attendant? What is a nickel made out of? What are the elements of a pre trip inspection for a tractor trailer? Etc., etc.

Yeah, I’m over here wondering “what regulation?” The US basically has none outside of banking and healthcare.

by dangus 1y ago

Yeah, I’m over here wondering “what regulation?” The US basically has none outside of banking and healthcare.

They want the rule of law to end, the end of responsibility - and they dont want to understand, that the result is a decaying oligarchy similar to russia. Its the ideological equivalent to having your cake and eating it.

CPLX 1y ago
They understand just fine. They’re the oligarchs.
- Aloisius 1y ago
  If they were actually oligarchs, they'd have already done what they want. Conflating some wealthy people who have, at best, mild influence over the government, with actual oligarchs in an oligarchy is... rhetorical nonsense. I get how it happened. We started referring to wealthy Russians in the 90s who actually wielded substantial control over government similar to oligarchs and we continued to refer to them as such even after they lost any semblance of political power, but still.
  - KPGv2 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - lurk2 1y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - Aloisius 1y ago
      You mean the guy the administration smeared as an ineffective, incontinent drug addict and who had to duck out because of the harm to his companies? The guy who promised trillions in cuts an managed to deliver almost none? The guy who is now railing against the budget bill and being ignored by those actually in power? His power is nothing compared to actual oligarchs in real oligarchies in history. The Thirty Tyrants could pass laws, sit in judgement and execute anyone they wanted for any reason (and did). They controlled every aspect of Athens. Musk got some people to retire early, got some people fired (often temporarily), was overruled by the judiciary and the administration regularly and was generally ineffectual. Calling him an oligarch is extreme hyperbole.
      - MentatOnMelange 1y ago
        He was given unprecedented power over federal agencies by the president after giving the largest political donation in US history. He had more power than many people will real roles and functions. The fact he appears not to have accomplished much with it says more about his competence as a leader than the nature of oligarchy.

sershe 1y ago

Citation needed The number of pages in the federal regulations only grows over time (admin to admin). Construction of any kind, including housing, education and childcare come to mind as things you missed. I.e. - everything that people complain is really expensive. Most industries in the US are heavy regulated. The ones that are not so heavily regulated - like software, and/or evade a lot of regulation abroad - like many consumer goods from shirts to cars - are the ones not getting more expensive.

Aurornis 1y ago

> The US basically has none outside of banking and healthcare This isn't even remotely true. Heavy regulation is actually one of the reasons why it's so hard to do things like build new housing or get high-speed rail, for two popular examples. Anyone who has worked in regulatory compliance at software or hardware companies will also roll their eyes at the claim that the United States has basically no regulation.

singleshot_ 1y ago

Do you think can change the brakes on your own airplane? How many disposable nicotine vapes are legal for sale in the US? How far do you have to be from a road to camp in a national forest? What is the Jones Act? Can you shoot down a drone? Do you have to obey a flight attendant? What is a nickel made out of? What are the elements of a pre trip inspection for a tractor trailer? Etc., etc.