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No, the other candidate was a terrible candidate who conspired to conceal the mental and physical decline of the then President. Don’t believe me? look at Tappe

by mc32 1y ago

No, the other candidate was a terrible candidate who conspired to conceal the mental and physical decline of the then President. Don’t believe me? look at Tapper’s new tell-all; and apparently soon KJP is coming out with another tell-all. Don’t blame voters, blame the pathetic political machine that could not help itself.

krapp 1y ago
>No, the other candidate was a terrible candidate who conspired to conceal the mental and physical decline of the then President. Americans seem to be trying really hard to justify voting for Trump by making it seem as if they faced an intractable choice between two terrible options - and of course many like yourself are piling on some conspiracy theory to also make it seem as if the options were equally corrupt. But no. At worst, Kamala Harris was a mainstream candidate, not even significantly leftist, certainly no less qualified than Trump, and not "terrible" in comparison to other alternatives. Americans just don't trust a non-white woman in a position of power. They would have voted for Hitler just to have a white dick and balls in the Oval Office. And Biden's mental and physical health was a subject of memes before he was even elected, and the most popular Republican President in history prior to the current one probably had Alzheimer's in office. And the current one isn't exactly at his physical or mental prime.
- mc32 1y ago
  Check out the young turks. They will tell you that the Dems undermined themselves by trying to gaslight people into voting for Kamala and to believe that Joe was dynamic and had more stamina than his staffers. Now you have the mainstream try to say that the party pulled the wool over their eyes and fooled them. A few will say that everyone knew he was senile —but somehow still thought it was cool to trot him out till the first debate when for most people, except msnbc and kin, saw the man behind the curtain. MSNBC tried to portray the first debate as a draw. Everyone else saw how pathetic the performance was. Then the machinations began and Joe endorsed Kamala despite Obama and the rest of the mainstream dems wanting an open primary. It was doomed with word salad Kamala who could not relate with regular folks. She was stilted and unauthentic.
  - krapp 1y ago
    How did they "gaslight" people into voting for Kamala? They had an incumbent President who had already beaten Trump. He did badly during the debate, they panicked so they ran their VP. That isn't a conspiracy, it's just political game theory. The Democrats would have been foolish not to field Biden, and the next best option after Biden was Kamala Harris. Their biggest mistake if anything wasn't setting up Harris earlier. Show me where the Trump Administration has ever said Trump is anything but masculine and virile, a brilliant and cunning orator, master statesman and strategist? This is just how political parties work. And I mean... "word salad?" Can't relate to regular folks? Compared to the incompetent, barely coherent billionaire? Come on.
    - mingus88 1y ago
      The democrats were foolish to run Biden, 100% Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option.
      - krapp 1y ago
        >Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. If your party has an encumbent President, you run the President. No other candidate would have the same amount of power, public awareness or power of the bully pulpit, especially not against Donald Trump. Barring that, you have the VP. Doing anything other than what they did would have been political suicide. Donald Trump barely even ran and he was still a factor. >Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. I agree. >The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats seem to have this pernicious belief that they need to bring Republicans into the tent... I don't understand it. They absolutely could not read the room. Biden was a stopgap, and his stances on unions and Gaza were alienating the left, so the best thing Harris could have done was pivot further to the left and be the candidate the left wished Biden was. >The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option. She was still more popular and a stronger candidate than any other Democrat would have been, except for Biden. It would have been a race between Donald Trump - ex President billionaire whose every word and deed gets constant media coverage - and someone no one ever heard of. A primary would only be a sign of weakness and threaten to fracture the party. Trump didn't exactly win in a blowout, the margin between he and Harris was slim enough that a Harris victory could have been possible. Maybe they were foolish to run Biden at all. But the die was kind of cast at that point.
bellgrove 1y ago
Not an American, so maybe I don’t have the same depth or insight into the candidates, but as bad as Kamala might have been, I think she would have been better than Trump. But then again I think a potato would make a better president than Trump.
- chneu 1y ago
  It doesn't matter. A black woman is entirely unelectable in the United States. Moderate and conservatives in the US are deeply sexist and racist. I know plenty of women who wouldn't vote for a female president and are very open about it.
  - mc32 1y ago
    I disagree. Someone like Condi Rice would be electable, if she were willing to enter the fray of politics. It’s like saying, we’d never elect a Jew because Bernie didn’t do well. No, he just didn’t have policies the majority of the country agreed with.
    - chneu 1y ago
      Policies are irrelevant. Americans are still deeply sexist and racist. I grew up conservative and know very well the quiet things they don't say to most people. A woman, let alone a black woman, is not electable in the US right now. It blows my mind how people seem to think Americans aren't still sexist/racist when there is so much evidence saying otherwise. It's important to get outside our social circles and talk to people with differing views.
markoman 1y ago
How about the concealment of drug use? Just now we're finding about the how Musk used so much Ketamine to get thru the nights at the White House that his urine turned bloody. Does anyone doubt that Trump snorts Adderall? That's just so he can sound coherent in public settings. That story has been repeated over & over by those who know but aren't able to survive the storm that Trump would levy in order to go public. https://uinterview.com/news/joe-rogan-mocks-man-baby-donald-trump-accuses-him-of-adderall-addiction/ https://uinterview.com/news/joe-rogan-mocks-man-baby-donald-... https://www.drjohnkruse.com/trump-nose-best-adderall-use-is-nothing-to-sniff-at/ https://www.drjohnkruse.com/trump-nose-best-adderall-use-is-...
- chneu 1y ago
  Trump ran a pill mill out of the white house in his first term. His entire cabinet was ordering shitloads of Rx drugs the entire time. The weirdest part is they refused to take generics, lol.

by mc32 1y ago

krapp 1y ago

>No, the other candidate was a terrible candidate who conspired to conceal the mental and physical decline of the then President. Americans seem to be trying really hard to justify voting for Trump by making it seem as if they faced an intractable choice between two terrible options - and of course many like yourself are piling on some conspiracy theory to also make it seem as if the options were equally corrupt. But no. At worst, Kamala Harris was a mainstream candidate, not even significantly leftist, certainly no less qualified than Trump, and not "terrible" in comparison to other alternatives. Americans just don't trust a non-white woman in a position of power. They would have voted for Hitler just to have a white dick and balls in the Oval Office. And Biden's mental and physical health was a subject of memes before he was even elected, and the most popular Republican President in history prior to the current one probably had Alzheimer's in office. And the current one isn't exactly at his physical or mental prime.

mc32 1y ago
Check out the young turks. They will tell you that the Dems undermined themselves by trying to gaslight people into voting for Kamala and to believe that Joe was dynamic and had more stamina than his staffers. Now you have the mainstream try to say that the party pulled the wool over their eyes and fooled them. A few will say that everyone knew he was senile —but somehow still thought it was cool to trot him out till the first debate when for most people, except msnbc and kin, saw the man behind the curtain. MSNBC tried to portray the first debate as a draw. Everyone else saw how pathetic the performance was. Then the machinations began and Joe endorsed Kamala despite Obama and the rest of the mainstream dems wanting an open primary. It was doomed with word salad Kamala who could not relate with regular folks. She was stilted and unauthentic.
- krapp 1y ago
  How did they "gaslight" people into voting for Kamala? They had an incumbent President who had already beaten Trump. He did badly during the debate, they panicked so they ran their VP. That isn't a conspiracy, it's just political game theory. The Democrats would have been foolish not to field Biden, and the next best option after Biden was Kamala Harris. Their biggest mistake if anything wasn't setting up Harris earlier. Show me where the Trump Administration has ever said Trump is anything but masculine and virile, a brilliant and cunning orator, master statesman and strategist? This is just how political parties work. And I mean... "word salad?" Can't relate to regular folks? Compared to the incompetent, barely coherent billionaire? Come on.
  - mingus88 1y ago
    The democrats were foolish to run Biden, 100% Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option.
    - krapp 1y ago
      >Biden ran in 2020 as a single term president. He did his job to prevent a second consecutive Trump term. At some point that changed, probably because Trump never gave up power. If your party has an encumbent President, you run the President. No other candidate would have the same amount of power, public awareness or power of the bully pulpit, especially not against Donald Trump. Barring that, you have the VP. Doing anything other than what they did would have been political suicide. Donald Trump barely even ran and he was still a factor. >Again, the democrats were foolish to not aggressively prosecute Trump. Merrill did nothing for far too long. I agree. >The democrats were foolish to make Harris the “border czar” since the republicans simply have them beat on immigration messaging. They handed her a huge weakness and played directly into the republicans strengths. The democrats seem to have this pernicious belief that they need to bring Republicans into the tent... I don't understand it. They absolutely could not read the room. Biden was a stopgap, and his stances on unions and Gaza were alienating the left, so the best thing Harris could have done was pivot further to the left and be the candidate the left wished Biden was. >The democrats were foolish to not have a primary. Harris simply is not popular. She does not perform well in the primaries, so they just decided no primary and a weak candidate was their only option. She was still more popular and a stronger candidate than any other Democrat would have been, except for Biden. It would have been a race between Donald Trump - ex President billionaire whose every word and deed gets constant media coverage - and someone no one ever heard of. A primary would only be a sign of weakness and threaten to fracture the party. Trump didn't exactly win in a blowout, the margin between he and Harris was slim enough that a Harris victory could have been possible. Maybe they were foolish to run Biden at all. But the die was kind of cast at that point.

bellgrove 1y ago

Not an American, so maybe I don’t have the same depth or insight into the candidates, but as bad as Kamala might have been, I think she would have been better than Trump. But then again I think a potato would make a better president than Trump.

chneu 1y ago
It doesn't matter. A black woman is entirely unelectable in the United States. Moderate and conservatives in the US are deeply sexist and racist. I know plenty of women who wouldn't vote for a female president and are very open about it.
- mc32 1y ago
  I disagree. Someone like Condi Rice would be electable, if she were willing to enter the fray of politics. It’s like saying, we’d never elect a Jew because Bernie didn’t do well. No, he just didn’t have policies the majority of the country agreed with.
  - chneu 1y ago
    Policies are irrelevant. Americans are still deeply sexist and racist. I grew up conservative and know very well the quiet things they don't say to most people. A woman, let alone a black woman, is not electable in the US right now. It blows my mind how people seem to think Americans aren't still sexist/racist when there is so much evidence saying otherwise. It's important to get outside our social circles and talk to people with differing views.

markoman 1y ago

How about the concealment of drug use? Just now we're finding about the how Musk used so much Ketamine to get thru the nights at the White House that his urine turned bloody. Does anyone doubt that Trump snorts Adderall? That's just so he can sound coherent in public settings. That story has been repeated over & over by those who know but aren't able to survive the storm that Trump would levy in order to go public. https://uinterview.com/news/joe-rogan-mocks-man-baby-donald-trump-accuses-him-of-adderall-addiction/ https://uinterview.com/news/joe-rogan-mocks-man-baby-donald-... https://www.drjohnkruse.com/trump-nose-best-adderall-use-is-nothing-to-sniff-at/ https://www.drjohnkruse.com/trump-nose-best-adderall-use-is-...

chneu 1y ago
Trump ran a pill mill out of the white house in his first term. His entire cabinet was ordering shitloads of Rx drugs the entire time. The weirdest part is they refused to take generics, lol.