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For us to build a high trust society again, we must enforce the law uniformly and consistently through unscalable and “legacy” means like police walking the bea

For us to build a high trust society again, we must enforce the law uniformly and consistently through unscalable and “legacy” means like police walking the beat and doing actual human investigative police work. Though murder is down, there is an uptick in property crime, and especially an uptick in people believing that property crime should not be prosecuted at all if the perpetrator is any less wealthy than a billionaire.

stego-tech 1y ago
I don’t think most folks - even us ACAB folks - are opposed to the law being evenly enforced and applied. Nor are we opposed to law enforcement building stronger community ties and doing investigative policing instead of militarized response. The latter half of your statement does reflect a sort of ignorance of reality: when we push for lowered persecution of, say, shoplifting under a given amount or of necessities, it’s because we understand those are often crimes of desperation better solved through social programs, food banks, or job guarantees. I’d love to see cops get off their ass and go after the actual shoplifting gangs and train raiders instead of tasering someone to the ground for stealing a couple bucks of food, but they won’t unless prosecutors are given public mandates of what they should be prioritizing (say, home invasions and vehicle break-ins instead of speeding tickets). Start with the big items and work down, as opposed to the disproven “broken windows” policing style of the NYPD.
CSMastermind 1y ago
We should absoultely and aggressively enforce property crime. With that said, I'm leery of mass surveillance. It might seem egalitarian but there is something to be said for a police officer having the discretion to not enforce a law. I think I prefer that even if it means some will abuse that power.
MangoToupe 1y ago
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chairmansteve 1y ago
"an uptick in people believing that property crime should not be prosecuted at all". Really? Do you have evidence??
GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
> especially an uptick in people believing that property crime should not be prosecuted at all if the perpetrator is any less wealthy than a billionaire. ... and a probably-equal uptick in people who advocate for extrajudicial murder of people accused of (or just suspected of) property crime (look at the way people on the right talk about homeless folks, immigrants etc). the loudest online are not representative of the majority opinion.
Karrot_Kream 1y ago
Rest Of World, where this article is from, is a site about news outside of the West. Your talking point about high trust societies seems to be related to the West and is both orthogonal to this article and the start of its own passionate discussion that can probably derail this thread.
- rangestransform 1y ago
  The parent comment also seems to be discussing the west, in many of the countries described in the article, a high trust society has never really existed at scale until fairly recently

stego-tech 1y ago

I don’t think most folks - even us ACAB folks - are opposed to the law being evenly enforced and applied. Nor are we opposed to law enforcement building stronger community ties and doing investigative policing instead of militarized response. The latter half of your statement does reflect a sort of ignorance of reality: when we push for lowered persecution of, say, shoplifting under a given amount or of necessities, it’s because we understand those are often crimes of desperation better solved through social programs, food banks, or job guarantees. I’d love to see cops get off their ass and go after the actual shoplifting gangs and train raiders instead of tasering someone to the ground for stealing a couple bucks of food, but they won’t unless prosecutors are given public mandates of what they should be prioritizing (say, home invasions and vehicle break-ins instead of speeding tickets). Start with the big items and work down, as opposed to the disproven “broken windows” policing style of the NYPD.

CSMastermind 1y ago

We should absoultely and aggressively enforce property crime. With that said, I'm leery of mass surveillance. It might seem egalitarian but there is something to be said for a police officer having the discretion to not enforce a law. I think I prefer that even if it means some will abuse that power.

MangoToupe 1y ago

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chairmansteve 1y ago

"an uptick in people believing that property crime should not be prosecuted at all". Really? Do you have evidence??

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago

> especially an uptick in people believing that property crime should not be prosecuted at all if the perpetrator is any less wealthy than a billionaire. ... and a probably-equal uptick in people who advocate for extrajudicial murder of people accused of (or just suspected of) property crime (look at the way people on the right talk about homeless folks, immigrants etc). the loudest online are not representative of the majority opinion.

Karrot_Kream 1y ago

Rest Of World, where this article is from, is a site about news outside of the West. Your talking point about high trust societies seems to be related to the West and is both orthogonal to this article and the start of its own passionate discussion that can probably derail this thread.

rangestransform 1y ago
The parent comment also seems to be discussing the west, in many of the countries described in the article, a high trust society has never really existed at scale until fairly recently