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I’m just waiting for the promised FSD to be delivered before whatever else he’s promised

ajross 1y ago
Drove 200 miles on FSD just yesterday. It's been months, maybe more than a year since I've had to intervene with the system for any reason beyond convenience ("I the human am smarter about lane selection so I'll drive" -- even then it's only about 50/50 that I'm actually right). Obviously in the current environment it's not worth having the fight. Musk's brand implosion will be studied for decades as probably the biggest preventable destruction of shareholder value in history. Nonetheless the cars remain great cars, even if it's no longer appropriate to say so. FWIW: used values have dropped too. If you don't want to line DOGE pockets or whatever, you can get a great deal on one from Carvana et. al.
- sumeno 1y ago
  I don't want more anecdotes from beta testers or massaged numbers from Tesla. I want truly independent verification. For every anecdote about how great it is there's another video showing a Tesla swerve into a tree or turn onto train tracks for no reason
  - ajross 1y ago
    It's very clear that what you don't want is a Tesla, period. And I accept that. The externalities of the current environment are such that this is no longer a winnable fight about cars. But nonetheless they are and remain really great, frankly transformational vehicles and they remain easily accessible if you want to investigate for yourself.
  - modeless 1y ago
    The video of swerving into a tree was caused by the driver turning the wheel and disengaging FSD. It's clear and unambiguous in the crash report data. You should check the news sources you're relying on. What ultimately matters is the statistics, and while the statistics Tesla has released are not very convincing, we can at least be sure that supervised FSD is not dramatically more dangerous than human drivers. That would definitely have been obvious in the statistics by now.
- darth_avocado 1y ago
  I own one as well and live in a neighborhood with non standard roads, it can barely recognize that the road is winding and I am not in fact driving into a parked car that came out of nowhere. It remains a mediocre car that was cool in 2017 when you could forgive the parts where it doesn’t deliver as promised because it was supposed to be revolutionary. But in 2025, a $50k car that promises 350 miles of range but can barely pull 200 can not be seriously called a great or revolutionary by any metric.

Drove 200 miles on FSD just yesterday. It's been months, maybe more than a year since I've had to intervene with the system for any reason beyond convenience ("I the human am smarter about lane selection so I'll drive" -- even then it's only about 50/50 that I'm actually right). Obviously in the current environment it's not worth having the fight. Musk's brand implosion will be studied for decades as probably the biggest preventable destruction of shareholder value in history. Nonetheless the cars remain great cars, even if it's no longer appropriate to say so. FWIW: used values have dropped too. If you don't want to line DOGE pockets or whatever, you can get a great deal on one from Carvana et. al.

sumeno 1y ago
I don't want more anecdotes from beta testers or massaged numbers from Tesla. I want truly independent verification. For every anecdote about how great it is there's another video showing a Tesla swerve into a tree or turn onto train tracks for no reason
- ajross 1y ago
  It's very clear that what you don't want is a Tesla, period. And I accept that. The externalities of the current environment are such that this is no longer a winnable fight about cars. But nonetheless they are and remain really great, frankly transformational vehicles and they remain easily accessible if you want to investigate for yourself.
- modeless 1y ago
  The video of swerving into a tree was caused by the driver turning the wheel and disengaging FSD. It's clear and unambiguous in the crash report data. You should check the news sources you're relying on. What ultimately matters is the statistics, and while the statistics Tesla has released are not very convincing, we can at least be sure that supervised FSD is not dramatically more dangerous than human drivers. That would definitely have been obvious in the statistics by now.
darth_avocado 1y ago
I own one as well and live in a neighborhood with non standard roads, it can barely recognize that the road is winding and I am not in fact driving into a parked car that came out of nowhere. It remains a mediocre car that was cool in 2017 when you could forgive the parts where it doesn’t deliver as promised because it was supposed to be revolutionary. But in 2025, a $50k car that promises 350 miles of range but can barely pull 200 can not be seriously called a great or revolutionary by any metric.