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I would agree with you, but the people making the decision to fire or keep you don’t care about quality, nor do they care about understanding AI or its limitati

by tines 1y ago

I would agree with you, but the people making the decision to fire or keep you don’t care about quality, nor do they care about understanding AI or its limitations. If AI mostly does kinda the right thing 70% of the time but saves the company $80k a year, that’s a no-brainer. We’re being Pollyanna-ish to think that anyone cares about the things we care about, that you mention in your post. If firing you saves $1.50 a year, they’ll do it.

ednite 1y ago
Fair enough, but what happens when those same companies start realizing it’s not just about reduced quality, but also security risks and costly errors? At some point, the savings get wiped out by the consequences. Do they go back to hiring human expertise then? I totally agree though, the business mindset of saving a buck often outweighs everything else. I’m actually going through something similar right now with a client being swayed by a so-called “AI expert” just to cut costs. But that’s a whole other story.
- keiferski 1y ago
  They go bankrupt, get acquired, or just hope that no one notices their security mistakes. Admitting mistakes and correcting them directly is not a common thing for CEOs to do.
  - ednite 1y ago
    I guess that's what makes it scary. Good point. thanks.
  - soraminazuki 1y ago
    Just like how Equifax faced consequences for its massive data breach? Oh wait.
- tines 1y ago
  > security risks and costly errors? I hope that you're right, but the problem is that the regulatory bodies are captured by the players that they are supposed to regulate. Can you name a time in recent history where a company had to pay a penalty for a harmful action, either intentional or neglectful, that exceeded the profit they gained from the action?
  - ednite 1y ago
    Another good point. I guess my values don’t align with how business accountability principles. Here’s hoping things shift, but you are right, I’m not holding my breath.
outside1234 1y ago
But if the AI inserts things that constantly cost the company $400k per previous head in a lawsuit when private information is leaked, that equation flips.
- tines 1y ago
  This kind of thing won't happen much in our future Technopoly. The regulators are captured by the regulated, and all that will happen when a mistake is made is a shuffling of the cards.
paul7986 1y ago
Indeed and as a UX Researcher, Designer and Front-End Dev chatGPT Plus does same level of design and front-end development I do. It takes me hours vs. chatGPT Plus five minutes or less to come up with professional logos, web app or website design around the logo and then spits out the front-end code. Once I saw that in late Fall of this year I was like yup there it is .. it can do a good portions/parts of my job. So at my job since I've been doing a lot more Customer UX Support and Research as well telling my co-workers and client that if I could use chatGPT at work I would be more effective (have it do the design and front end development). I feel i need to jump ahead and show I embrace this change asap and AI can not interface with clients, do UX research and any other thing that involves human to human interaction. So to me CX/UX Research is safe and now such workers can also do UX Design and Front-End Development using AI. Really anyone now can do those two things and quickly.
- ednite 1y ago
  Great example, and to be honest, I’m guilty of the same. I used ChatGPT to come up with a logo for one of my projects, and it only took about five minutes. The kicker? The designer I would’ve usually handed it to actually approved it and liked it. It kind of stings, though. That used to be someone’s craft, their livelihood. But like you said, the key now is finding ways to adapt, maybe by leaning more into the human side of the work: real collaboration, client interaction, deeper research. Still, not everyone can or wants to adapt. What happens to the quiet designer who just wants to spend the day in their bubble, listening to music and creating? Not chasing clients, not pivoting constantly, just doing what they love. That’s the part that saddens me at times when I see AI in action. Thanks for sharing.
  - djhn 1y ago
    How can it come up with a logo? Is it able to output vector graphics now? Chatgpt and Genini choked on trying to generate even the simplest of 2d shapes, like a 5-pointed star, as svg.
    - ednite 1y ago
sumeno 1y ago
And eventually they learn the lesson that many companies learned in the early 00s with offshoring. You get what you pay for
- kunzhi 1y ago
  I don't think any of those companies learned a lesson.
  - sumeno 1y ago
    Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before
    - fakedang 1y ago
      You guys seem to underestimate how much traditional industry is tied in with offshoring. From retail to traditional banking to insurance, there are a shit ton of industries whose jobs are now in India and the Phillipines and not in the US or the EU.
      - kunzhi 1y ago
        Yeah, it’s pretty clear who knows anything basic about business and who has only spent time in tech.
    - palmotea 1y ago
      > Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before Huh? Offshoring is a fairly major component of my employer's workforce, and the US software engineering staff has dwindled (along with a lot of other departments). We moved into a much smaller building recently. Now we work on godawful blended teams with the worse time-zone difference possible (initially projects we either all India or all US, until the power that be felt the need to push costs down further). It's the same at my friend's employers, if they're of any size.
soraminazuki 1y ago
Exactly, businesses will soon treat software engineering the way Google does "support." It'll all be just robots pissing everyone off. Well everyone, except the executives who will receive a nice big paycheck.

by tines 1y ago

ednite 1y ago

Fair enough, but what happens when those same companies start realizing it’s not just about reduced quality, but also security risks and costly errors? At some point, the savings get wiped out by the consequences. Do they go back to hiring human expertise then? I totally agree though, the business mindset of saving a buck often outweighs everything else. I’m actually going through something similar right now with a client being swayed by a so-called “AI expert” just to cut costs. But that’s a whole other story.

keiferski 1y ago
They go bankrupt, get acquired, or just hope that no one notices their security mistakes. Admitting mistakes and correcting them directly is not a common thing for CEOs to do.
- ednite 1y ago
  I guess that's what makes it scary. Good point. thanks.
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  Just like how Equifax faced consequences for its massive data breach? Oh wait.
tines 1y ago
> security risks and costly errors? I hope that you're right, but the problem is that the regulatory bodies are captured by the players that they are supposed to regulate. Can you name a time in recent history where a company had to pay a penalty for a harmful action, either intentional or neglectful, that exceeded the profit they gained from the action?
- ednite 1y ago
  Another good point. I guess my values don’t align with how business accountability principles. Here’s hoping things shift, but you are right, I’m not holding my breath.

outside1234 1y ago

But if the AI inserts things that constantly cost the company $400k per previous head in a lawsuit when private information is leaked, that equation flips.

tines 1y ago
This kind of thing won't happen much in our future Technopoly. The regulators are captured by the regulated, and all that will happen when a mistake is made is a shuffling of the cards.

paul7986 1y ago

Indeed and as a UX Researcher, Designer and Front-End Dev chatGPT Plus does same level of design and front-end development I do. It takes me hours vs. chatGPT Plus five minutes or less to come up with professional logos, web app or website design around the logo and then spits out the front-end code. Once I saw that in late Fall of this year I was like yup there it is .. it can do a good portions/parts of my job. So at my job since I've been doing a lot more Customer UX Support and Research as well telling my co-workers and client that if I could use chatGPT at work I would be more effective (have it do the design and front end development). I feel i need to jump ahead and show I embrace this change asap and AI can not interface with clients, do UX research and any other thing that involves human to human interaction. So to me CX/UX Research is safe and now such workers can also do UX Design and Front-End Development using AI. Really anyone now can do those two things and quickly.

ednite 1y ago
Great example, and to be honest, I’m guilty of the same. I used ChatGPT to come up with a logo for one of my projects, and it only took about five minutes. The kicker? The designer I would’ve usually handed it to actually approved it and liked it. It kind of stings, though. That used to be someone’s craft, their livelihood. But like you said, the key now is finding ways to adapt, maybe by leaning more into the human side of the work: real collaboration, client interaction, deeper research. Still, not everyone can or wants to adapt. What happens to the quiet designer who just wants to spend the day in their bubble, listening to music and creating? Not chasing clients, not pivoting constantly, just doing what they love. That’s the part that saddens me at times when I see AI in action. Thanks for sharing.
- djhn 1y ago
  How can it come up with a logo? Is it able to output vector graphics now? Chatgpt and Genini choked on trying to generate even the simplest of 2d shapes, like a 5-pointed star, as svg.
  - ednite 1y ago

sumeno 1y ago

And eventually they learn the lesson that many companies learned in the early 00s with offshoring. You get what you pay for

kunzhi 1y ago
I don't think any of those companies learned a lesson.
- sumeno 1y ago
  Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before
  - fakedang 1y ago
    You guys seem to underestimate how much traditional industry is tied in with offshoring. From retail to traditional banking to insurance, there are a shit ton of industries whose jobs are now in India and the Phillipines and not in the US or the EU.
    - kunzhi 1y ago
      Yeah, it’s pretty clear who knows anything basic about business and who has only spent time in tech.
  - palmotea 1y ago
    > Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before Huh? Offshoring is a fairly major component of my employer's workforce, and the US software engineering staff has dwindled (along with a lot of other departments). We moved into a much smaller building recently. Now we work on godawful blended teams with the worse time-zone difference possible (initially projects we either all India or all US, until the power that be felt the need to push costs down further). It's the same at my friend's employers, if they're of any size.

soraminazuki 1y ago

Exactly, businesses will soon treat software engineering the way Google does "support." It'll all be just robots pissing everyone off. Well everyone, except the executives who will receive a nice big paycheck.