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I’m not convinced by the argument. I believe porn use by minors is going up. That means they were impeded in the past more than they are impeded now. I believe

by tyleo 1y ago

I’m not convinced by the argument. I believe porn use by minors is going up. That means they were impeded in the past more than they are impeded now. I believe age verification was a big part of that: folks were carded to buy Playboys. Sure you could get a fake card, but the barrier to entry was higher and that had an impact. I also don’t take it as a good argument that, “some people will break the law and therefore there should be no law.” E.g., “decent, well-willing” people pay taxes but, “shady, probably unmonitored,” people don’t. Yet we don’t say, “there shouldn’t be taxes,” on this basis.

diggan 1y ago
> I believe porn use by minors is going up. Why do you believe this? I wasn't sure what to believe, and after some casual searches it seems like the percentage who reported ever having used pornography is actually decreasing, but the frequency of viewing pornography has gone up for those who actively view it. But it also seems to differ a lot by country, what I found for Sweden doesn't match what researchers found in Spain, for example, and I'm sure the US would be different too. It would seem to me like parental controls and supervision of computer/phone use is much higher than when I was growing up. Basically none of our parents understand what this new "interwebs" thing was about today, but every parent today know exactly what it is. None of us kids had any parental controls on our computers AFAIK, but today it seems to be the norm, at least what I can tell from my own circles of acquaintances.
techjamie 1y ago
> I believe porn use by minors is going up. In correlation, no doubt, with how many minors have cell phones that can be used anywhere, with a good expectation of privacy. It's not like how it was when I was a kid, where the average kid had access to maybe the family computer or, if they were lucky, a laptop. > E.g., “decent, well-willing” people pay taxes but, “shady, probably unmonitored,” people don’t. Yet we don’t say, “there shouldn’t be taxes,” on this basis. The better comparison would be with another vice. I don't particularly care about marijuana, but given the choice, is it better as a society to give people legal, certified, safe weed choices, or should it be relegated to street dealers that might cut their product with other stuff?

by tyleo 1y ago

diggan 1y ago

> I believe porn use by minors is going up. Why do you believe this? I wasn't sure what to believe, and after some casual searches it seems like the percentage who reported ever having used pornography is actually decreasing, but the frequency of viewing pornography has gone up for those who actively view it. But it also seems to differ a lot by country, what I found for Sweden doesn't match what researchers found in Spain, for example, and I'm sure the US would be different too. It would seem to me like parental controls and supervision of computer/phone use is much higher than when I was growing up. Basically none of our parents understand what this new "interwebs" thing was about today, but every parent today know exactly what it is. None of us kids had any parental controls on our computers AFAIK, but today it seems to be the norm, at least what I can tell from my own circles of acquaintances.

techjamie 1y ago

> I believe porn use by minors is going up. In correlation, no doubt, with how many minors have cell phones that can be used anywhere, with a good expectation of privacy. It's not like how it was when I was a kid, where the average kid had access to maybe the family computer or, if they were lucky, a laptop. > E.g., “decent, well-willing” people pay taxes but, “shady, probably unmonitored,” people don’t. Yet we don’t say, “there shouldn’t be taxes,” on this basis. The better comparison would be with another vice. I don't particularly care about marijuana, but given the choice, is it better as a society to give people legal, certified, safe weed choices, or should it be relegated to street dealers that might cut their product with other stuff?