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> If it then shows that running with it on is 10%, 50% or 90% "better" in avoiding accidents, then it is still a net win I think this is the first pedestrian d

> If it then shows that running with it on is 10%, 50% or 90% "better" in avoiding accidents, then it is still a net win I think this is the first pedestrian death - there's a couple more in cars with FSD running, and lots more when autopilot was engaged: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ > There seems to be some kind of weird double standard where we let people get drivers licenses and run around causing X% accidents per year... Thats exactly the problem Tesla (and others have). Most polls still say large portions of the public don't feel safe with self driving cars on the road (For example: https://today.yougov.com/technology/articles/51199-americans-warm-to-driverless-cars-though-skepticism-remains https://today.yougov.com/technology/articles/51199-americans...). People understand about DUI, fatigue, driving too fast, etc. But a lot of automated driving deaths seem to be avoidable by a human with a bit of common sense.

ivewonyoung 1y ago
> lots more when autopilot was engaged: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ Blaming all of those or even most of those on autopilot seems extremely disingenuous, appears to be a misleadng propaganda website.
- gruez 1y ago
  Yeah wtf? I skimmed the first three entries and so far as I can't tell how FSD was involved, or even why Tesla (the company) was at fault. I guess technically those were deaths, and they were caused by a Tesla, so "telsadeaths.com" isn't inaccurate, but you'd be laughed at if you started a site called "toyotadeaths.com" with all the fatalities toyota cars were involved in.
  - ivewonyoung 1y ago
    > they were caused by a Tesla It's not even that, it includes entries like where a Toyota Tacoma pickup was driving on the wrong direction on the highway, ran into a Tesla and someone died. https://archive.is/GhYIs https://archive.is/GhYIs It's not even just deaths that happened in a Tesla for any reason because it also includes deaths in other vehicles, it's just any death where a Tesla was in the vicinity or something. Reminds me of the very popular "study" that did the rounds on all over the media and on here and Reddit where they counted suicides in a Cybertruck as being its fault to make it look artificially bad against the Ford Pinto. These false claims go unchallenged on Reddit because moderators will permanently ban anyone posting inconvenient facts, and BlueSky is probably worse. And given all the massive number of misinformed people, these propaganda tactics actually work pretty well.

ivewonyoung 1y ago

> lots more when autopilot was engaged: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ Blaming all of those or even most of those on autopilot seems extremely disingenuous, appears to be a misleadng propaganda website.

gruez 1y ago
Yeah wtf? I skimmed the first three entries and so far as I can't tell how FSD was involved, or even why Tesla (the company) was at fault. I guess technically those were deaths, and they were caused by a Tesla, so "telsadeaths.com" isn't inaccurate, but you'd be laughed at if you started a site called "toyotadeaths.com" with all the fatalities toyota cars were involved in.
- ivewonyoung 1y ago
  > they were caused by a Tesla It's not even that, it includes entries like where a Toyota Tacoma pickup was driving on the wrong direction on the highway, ran into a Tesla and someone died. https://archive.is/GhYIs https://archive.is/GhYIs It's not even just deaths that happened in a Tesla for any reason because it also includes deaths in other vehicles, it's just any death where a Tesla was in the vicinity or something. Reminds me of the very popular "study" that did the rounds on all over the media and on here and Reddit where they counted suicides in a Cybertruck as being its fault to make it look artificially bad against the Ford Pinto. These false claims go unchallenged on Reddit because moderators will permanently ban anyone posting inconvenient facts, and BlueSky is probably worse. And given all the massive number of misinformed people, these propaganda tactics actually work pretty well.