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I hear this from barely healthy people all the time. Omg you're having too much lemon juice, too much salt, too much meat, too much butter, too much stinging ne

I hear this from barely healthy people all the time. Omg you're having too much lemon juice, too much salt, too much meat, too much butter, too much stinging nettle tea, skipping too many meals, on and on and on. Yet anyone I finally convince to eat like be literally changes their entire life so positively their entire world view and opinions about the medical field and government changes. Oh yes I'll worry about my kidney because I've stopped ingesting health destroying chemicals in basically all mass food, and focused on beef and fasting.

drawfloat 1y ago
The government?
- ultrarunner 1y ago
  The government shapes diets both through guidance (food pyramid, “plates”, etc) and regulation. For example, a major criticism revolves around farm bill payouts that incentivize corn production, leading to cheap fructose that finds its way into everything.
  - rexpop 1y ago
    Where does the buck stop, in this matter?
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      Removing Iowa as the first state in the primary season.
- somenameforme 1y ago
  The FDA claims a sedentary 40 year old man needs 2400 calories a day, the same as a 17 year old incidentally. [1] Or that everybody just needs 50g of protein a day. [2] Then there's the fat vs sugar food pyramid nonsense that led to more than half a century of health degradation. [1] - https://www.fda.gov/media/112972/download https://www.fda.gov/media/112972/download [2] - https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-nutrition-and-supplement-facts-labels https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-n...
  - eisen_matrix 1y ago
    2400 calories is very rational number, considering that Americans eat around 3800 on average.
    - carlmr 1y ago
      I thought you were pulling numbers out of your magic hat. It seems true. Sorry for doubting you. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2024/10/14/weight-loss-drugs-american-calorie-decrease/75596926007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2024/10/14/weight... I guess the 2400 for middle aged people is not that far off if in the 60s the average was right around there and people were healthier.
      - deleted 1y ago
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      - jvanderbot 1y ago
        I'm about to say something that is easy to dismiss as bullshit, so feel free to, but you're right, people were healthier in terms of weight in the 60s, and right around that is when we changed dietary guidance to be carb-focused, low fat, etc. Since then, obesity has skyrocketed. The book Obesity Code covers this. As sibling comments have pointed out, 3800 is availability, not consumption, so it's not an indicator of how much people do eat, just how much they could eat.
        aaronbaugher 1y ago
        You can see it if you watch any US documentary filmed before the late 70s that shows ordinary people in the street. They're much fitter, and exercise for weight loss wasn't really a thing yet; people didn't jog. That's not far enough back that everyone was a farmer or laborer; there were plenty of fairly sedentary office workers. They also weren't starving; it was a prosperous time. They were generally eating meat-and-potatoes diets with plenty of animals fats (I have a 1960s barbeque cookbook that tells you to put a pat of butter on pretty much everything). And obesity wasn't a problem. And since we started letting the government tell us how to eat healthy, not only has obesity skyrocketed, but so have diseases connected with it.
rexpop 1y ago
> the medical field and government Nothing about industries that have captured legislature? Bayer/Monsanto (pesticide exposure, water contamination, cancer risk), Tyson Foods (antibiotic resistance, air and water pollution, respiratory illness), American Crystal Sugar Company (obesity, diabetes, heart disease), Koch Industries (pollution, weakened environmental standards), ADM (antibiotic resistance, pollution), Bunge Ltd (antibiotic resistance, pollution), Nutrien (fertilizer runoff, water contamination, cancer risk), Corteva (pesticide exposure, water contamination, cancer risk).
- carlmr 1y ago
  This is so on point, the big money in ag is pushing a lot of these conspiracies. If that's your argument for your diet, it's a shaky one. I will go that far to admit I don't know what's the healthy diet in the end, because there's too much industry influence anywhere you look.
  - aydyn 1y ago
    Beyond things that are provably carcinogen and specific genetic deficiencies its just calories. Every diet looks better compared to the standard American slop, but when tested against reducing caloric intake, every diet looks like the null distribution. Dont be fooled. Just eat sensibly in amount and composition.
    - al_borland 1y ago
      The composition of those calories impacts hormones in the body. Hormones do matter. If for nothing else, making it easier or more difficult to actually stay within that caloric budget.
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    Are eggs healthy this week? We do seem to be in a pretty persistent anti-carb phase of diet culture, I wonder when we'll go back to low-fat.
fransje26 1y ago
Did you know that if you replace coffee with water in the morning, you can remove up to 95% of what little joy you had when you woke up?
- al_borland 1y ago
  I only recently tried coffee for the first time in my 40s. I didn’t understand the appeal, but I suppose it’s an acquired taste. What I’ve seen over the years from occasionally being around coffee drinkers in the morning didn’t look like joy. It looked like addicts, unable to function and singularly focused, until they acquired coffee in the morning. When outside of their normal environment with quick and easy coffee, this seemed like an annoying burden to deal with. I had a caffeine addiction from soda when I was in high school, which I broke in college. It led to chronic headaches if I didn’t have enough. In high school I didn’t put 2 and 2 together to know why I was getting the headaches and my dad was trying to push to take me to a neurologist. Nothing about my experience with was joyful, nor has it looked like joy when someone wakes up in an unfamiliar city and is frantically looking for the nearest cup of coffee before they can talk about anything else. I’ve seen this from multiple people on multiple occasions.
  - j1elo 1y ago
    Those people were addicts, and not by a bit but deep into it. They should first realize their condition and then apply measures to get out of the hole. I bet they also had very poor sleep quality (regardless of length). Like crack addicts longing for their dose, I've also seen people not able to work as functional adults until they get their precious morning coffee shot, and when on holidays their company ends up becoming a burden, not able to improvise, not able to stay in uncommon situations without a coffee brewer nearby for a couple days. I'm a coffee drinker, and I take it around 2 to 3 times a week. To be honest, it takes effort to reach those addiction levels; I don't think it can happen without taking coffee every. single. day., which seems way too much honestly. Like "needing to drink hard alcohol every day seems odd"-levels of wrong.
    - jvanderbot 1y ago
jajko 1y ago
Swinging from one extreme to another without a good research to back it up, always a sign for a good long term move for sure. But its good, please do some research on your body for the rest of mankind, we thank and salute you. I just hope you get your meat consistently in standards that pretty much surpass what we consider "bio" in say EU or Switzerland in most aspects. You know, there is some middle ground. In southern Europe, people have consistently healthy diets without resorting to such extremes, while eating food that tastes massively better than what a general US consumers buy / are willing to spend money on. I just returned from 1 week vacation in Italy, thats always a trip to a small universe of healthy gourmet food. That experience is unfortunately not very transferable outside country borders but can serve as great inspiration - ie pasta ins't very healthy unless cooked al dente, then it becomes much better for the body.
- daerogami 1y ago
  > ie pasta ins't very healthy unless cooked al dente, then it becomes much better for the body That sounds absurd. I think you have been lied to.
  - donkers 1y ago
    Al dente pasta has a lower glycemic index than more cooked pasta (which logically makes sense), thus it can be better for you in that context.
circlefavshape 1y ago
So how many people have you finally convinced to "eat like be"? And what age are you?

drawfloat 1y ago

The government?

ultrarunner 1y ago
The government shapes diets both through guidance (food pyramid, “plates”, etc) and regulation. For example, a major criticism revolves around farm bill payouts that incentivize corn production, leading to cheap fructose that finds its way into everything.
- rexpop 1y ago
  Where does the buck stop, in this matter?
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    Removing Iowa as the first state in the primary season.
somenameforme 1y ago
The FDA claims a sedentary 40 year old man needs 2400 calories a day, the same as a 17 year old incidentally. [1] Or that everybody just needs 50g of protein a day. [2] Then there's the fat vs sugar food pyramid nonsense that led to more than half a century of health degradation. [1] - https://www.fda.gov/media/112972/download https://www.fda.gov/media/112972/download [2] - https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-nutrition-and-supplement-facts-labels https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-n...
- eisen_matrix 1y ago
  2400 calories is very rational number, considering that Americans eat around 3800 on average.
  - carlmr 1y ago
    I thought you were pulling numbers out of your magic hat. It seems true. Sorry for doubting you. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2024/10/14/weight-loss-drugs-american-calorie-decrease/75596926007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2024/10/14/weight... I guess the 2400 for middle aged people is not that far off if in the 60s the average was right around there and people were healthier.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - jvanderbot 1y ago
      I'm about to say something that is easy to dismiss as bullshit, so feel free to, but you're right, people were healthier in terms of weight in the 60s, and right around that is when we changed dietary guidance to be carb-focused, low fat, etc. Since then, obesity has skyrocketed. The book Obesity Code covers this. As sibling comments have pointed out, 3800 is availability, not consumption, so it's not an indicator of how much people do eat, just how much they could eat.
      - aaronbaugher 1y ago
        You can see it if you watch any US documentary filmed before the late 70s that shows ordinary people in the street. They're much fitter, and exercise for weight loss wasn't really a thing yet; people didn't jog. That's not far enough back that everyone was a farmer or laborer; there were plenty of fairly sedentary office workers. They also weren't starving; it was a prosperous time. They were generally eating meat-and-potatoes diets with plenty of animals fats (I have a 1960s barbeque cookbook that tells you to put a pat of butter on pretty much everything). And obesity wasn't a problem. And since we started letting the government tell us how to eat healthy, not only has obesity skyrocketed, but so have diseases connected with it.

rexpop 1y ago

> the medical field and government Nothing about industries that have captured legislature? Bayer/Monsanto (pesticide exposure, water contamination, cancer risk), Tyson Foods (antibiotic resistance, air and water pollution, respiratory illness), American Crystal Sugar Company (obesity, diabetes, heart disease), Koch Industries (pollution, weakened environmental standards), ADM (antibiotic resistance, pollution), Bunge Ltd (antibiotic resistance, pollution), Nutrien (fertilizer runoff, water contamination, cancer risk), Corteva (pesticide exposure, water contamination, cancer risk).

carlmr 1y ago
This is so on point, the big money in ag is pushing a lot of these conspiracies. If that's your argument for your diet, it's a shaky one. I will go that far to admit I don't know what's the healthy diet in the end, because there's too much industry influence anywhere you look.
- aydyn 1y ago
  Beyond things that are provably carcinogen and specific genetic deficiencies its just calories. Every diet looks better compared to the standard American slop, but when tested against reducing caloric intake, every diet looks like the null distribution. Dont be fooled. Just eat sensibly in amount and composition.
  - al_borland 1y ago
    The composition of those calories impacts hormones in the body. Hormones do matter. If for nothing else, making it easier or more difficult to actually stay within that caloric budget.
- BobaFloutist 1y ago
  Are eggs healthy this week? We do seem to be in a pretty persistent anti-carb phase of diet culture, I wonder when we'll go back to low-fat.

fransje26 1y ago

Did you know that if you replace coffee with water in the morning, you can remove up to 95% of what little joy you had when you woke up?

al_borland 1y ago
I only recently tried coffee for the first time in my 40s. I didn’t understand the appeal, but I suppose it’s an acquired taste. What I’ve seen over the years from occasionally being around coffee drinkers in the morning didn’t look like joy. It looked like addicts, unable to function and singularly focused, until they acquired coffee in the morning. When outside of their normal environment with quick and easy coffee, this seemed like an annoying burden to deal with. I had a caffeine addiction from soda when I was in high school, which I broke in college. It led to chronic headaches if I didn’t have enough. In high school I didn’t put 2 and 2 together to know why I was getting the headaches and my dad was trying to push to take me to a neurologist. Nothing about my experience with was joyful, nor has it looked like joy when someone wakes up in an unfamiliar city and is frantically looking for the nearest cup of coffee before they can talk about anything else. I’ve seen this from multiple people on multiple occasions.
- j1elo 1y ago
  Those people were addicts, and not by a bit but deep into it. They should first realize their condition and then apply measures to get out of the hole. I bet they also had very poor sleep quality (regardless of length). Like crack addicts longing for their dose, I've also seen people not able to work as functional adults until they get their precious morning coffee shot, and when on holidays their company ends up becoming a burden, not able to improvise, not able to stay in uncommon situations without a coffee brewer nearby for a couple days. I'm a coffee drinker, and I take it around 2 to 3 times a week. To be honest, it takes effort to reach those addiction levels; I don't think it can happen without taking coffee every. single. day., which seems way too much honestly. Like "needing to drink hard alcohol every day seems odd"-levels of wrong.
  - jvanderbot 1y ago

jajko 1y ago

Swinging from one extreme to another without a good research to back it up, always a sign for a good long term move for sure. But its good, please do some research on your body for the rest of mankind, we thank and salute you. I just hope you get your meat consistently in standards that pretty much surpass what we consider "bio" in say EU or Switzerland in most aspects. You know, there is some middle ground. In southern Europe, people have consistently healthy diets without resorting to such extremes, while eating food that tastes massively better than what a general US consumers buy / are willing to spend money on. I just returned from 1 week vacation in Italy, thats always a trip to a small universe of healthy gourmet food. That experience is unfortunately not very transferable outside country borders but can serve as great inspiration - ie pasta ins't very healthy unless cooked al dente, then it becomes much better for the body.

daerogami 1y ago
> ie pasta ins't very healthy unless cooked al dente, then it becomes much better for the body That sounds absurd. I think you have been lied to.
- donkers 1y ago
  Al dente pasta has a lower glycemic index than more cooked pasta (which logically makes sense), thus it can be better for you in that context.

circlefavshape 1y ago

So how many people have you finally convinced to "eat like be"? And what age are you?