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Doing keto long enough however, your kidneys might wear out before your brain
by kirykl 1y ago
Doing keto long enough however, your kidneys might wear out before your brain
- LPisGood 1y agoLive long enough and you turn to dust I guess.
- uoaei 1y agoJoni Ernst already proved just how unpopular this line of rhetoric can be.
- pstuart 1y agoIt's not the fact that we turn to dust -- we all understand that; but denying healthcare because you're gonna die anyway is messed up.
- throwcarsales 1y agoYou have to deny healthcare at a certain point because there will always be resources you could throw at someone to extend life span. Where do you stop? We already have the means to help people live longer than we do but don't do it for everyone because how are you going to pay for that at scale? Or do you mean you just want healthcare paid for at the level that you in particular believe it should be?
- uoaei 1y agoYou're not wrong. Ultimately the discussion boils down to whose values are we prioritizing by allocating society's resources. In the interest of supporting a culture of agency and self-determination the society should* be supporting the decisions of those most affected first. * I hate the word "should" but in this case we are already contextualized within an implied value system so it is used in a simple determinative manner.
- XorNot 1y agoYou're acting like DNRs don't exist. People aren't hanging around consuming more and more healthcare for diminishing outcomes. Instead they're suffering long term or permanent problems from the US denying prompt, proven interventions. The problem you're talking about doesn't exist.
- pstuart 1y agoIt's effectively agreed upon that "heroic measures" while approaching EOL are both a bad use of funds and also of questionable value to the patient. That said, the OP context was about denying healthcare to "the poors". Period. It has nothing to do with the slippery slope of "lost causes". Bear in mind that the OP's political party is stridently against any sort of public health care options, and that's what is driving her stance.
- esseph 1y agoWell humans don't seem to really learn anything that spans more than a generation or two, so there's plenty of time.
- Terr_ 1y agoI aspire to the "One Hoss Shay" approach. [0] Nothing is unnecessarily overbuilt, so everything works perfectly for a hundred years... then it all collapses to dust simultaneously. :P [0] https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45280/45280-h/45280-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45280/45280-h/45280-h.htm
- irrational 1y agoThat was nearly my great-grandfather. Completely healthy until he was 103. Didn’t need glasses, walked without support, lived alone, completely there mentally and had a fantastic memory. Then he got shingles which affected his throat so eating was painful. He was dead two weeks later. Went from completely healthy to dead practically overnight.
- wyclif 1y agoMany people don't realise how evil and terrible shingles can be, thinking "oh it's just itchy skin." No. It is much, much worse than that, and it's very painful as well.
- AstroBen 1y agoor your heart: https://drstanfield.com/blogs/articles/lean-mass-hyper-responders-see-rapid-plaque-progression https://drstanfield.com/blogs/articles/lean-mass-hyper-respo...
- 3abiton 1y agoIt depends how you do it. My current approach relies on intermittent fasting for 18 hours (save it for coffee and salty water), and accasional 24-36 hours fast (approx every 6-8 weeks). Not a keto diet, but helps with training Ketons.
- nandomrumber 1y agoWhat salt are you using?
- moi2388 1y agoI use my tears when I see a cake I’m not allowed to have
- penguin_booze 1y agoWe now have a new demonstration of autophagy.
- wyclif 1y agoI laughed, but in all seriousness I too was interested in the amount of salt he's using for this.
- QuantumGood 1y agoI keep tiny containers around to pick some up with the touch of a wet finger a few times a day. Helps me experiment with how much keeps the keto flu at bay. Also frequent MCT oil from a squeeze bottle.
- commandlinefan 1y agoNot OP, but I do a 36-hour fast once a week. I drink black coffee and water, but I mix one very small salt packet (probably no more than 1/2 tsp) in with one 8-oz glass of water around noon for "lunch". For the most part, that does well enough to stave off the next-day side effects.
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- snthpy 1y agoThat has been a concern of mine. What is the latest on that?
- ycombinete 1y agoI'm not sure what the stats are, but my anecdote is that two family members who did long term keto have both developed permanent renal problems in their 60s. They can now eat only very little protein. The one person's Dr. told her that the main issue is that she was eating way too much protein. Which might mean she wasn't doing Keto quite right. But I don't know enough about the diet myself to say for sure.
- snthpy 1y agoThanks, that's very interesting. I was concerned about that and had my liver checked a couple of years ago but it might have been too early then. I'll brush up on that.
- M0x20M1 1y agoThe kidney is the organ that deals with the nitrogen waste from proteins.
- rxtexit 1y agoMy guess would be this is just nonsense. No one has an eating too much protein problem. The average person has a sitting on their ass problem that leads to all kinds of health issues, especially when combined with a too many calorie problem. There is absolutely no evidence that long term high protein consumption leads to these things.
- aaronbaugher 1y agoMy anecdote is that I was diagnosed with stage 3 kidney disease, likely as a result of years of very high blood pressure. Four years later, using medication to get the blood pressure down to near-normal, and following a high-fat/keto diet, my kidneys were operating perfectly in the normal range. (I didn't tell my doctor about my diet, because I needed him to prescribe the BP meds and didn't want him nagging me about diet. One mention of "healthy grains" was enough.) The "your kidneys will fall out" nonsense has been circulating since I first started hanging out on alt.support.diet.low-carb in the mid-90s. Probably since Atkins first published his book. It's superstition.
- throwcarsales 1y agoI hear this from barely healthy people all the time. Omg you're having too much lemon juice, too much salt, too much meat, too much butter, too much stinging nettle tea, skipping too many meals, on and on and on. Yet anyone I finally convince to eat like be literally changes their entire life so positively their entire world view and opinions about the medical field and government changes. Oh yes I'll worry about my kidney because I've stopped ingesting health destroying chemicals in basically all mass food, and focused on beef and fasting.
- drawfloat 1y agoThe government?
- ultrarunner 1y agoThe government shapes diets both through guidance (food pyramid, “plates”, etc) and regulation. For example, a major criticism revolves around farm bill payouts that incentivize corn production, leading to cheap fructose that finds its way into everything.
- somenameforme 1y agoThe FDA claims a sedentary 40 year old man needs 2400 calories a day, the same as a 17 year old incidentally. [1] Or that everybody just needs 50g of protein a day. [2] Then there's the fat vs sugar food pyramid nonsense that led to more than half a century of health degradation. [1] - https://www.fda.gov/media/112972/download https://www.fda.gov/media/112972/download [2] - https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-nutrition-and-supplement-facts-labels https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-n...
- NotGMan 1y agoThat's a myth. Also high protein consumption is not a problem for kidneys. There was a lot of bad science, this "protein is bad for the kidneys" comes from people who already had kidney issues from other reason beforehand, not from healthy people.